DIY Oil Change for LR4

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How easy is it change on a new '16 (I have about 7k to-date)? I've watched Umberto's excellent video, but of course that is for the V8. I can find no information on which oil filter to use, or the size of required filter wrench for the V6. Are they the same as the V8?
 

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My understanding is that the SCV6 is exactly the same engine as the NAV8, save for 2 missing cylinders and a supercharger bolted on top. Same filter, same fill procedures, same everything. Only the oil specs were changed slightly, I believe (see your manual.)
 

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You're still paying within pennies of dealer price for the ebay stuff, aren't you?
 

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^ ON EBay I see our LR specific oil for about $12.75 per quart at the translated price after shipping from the UK.

I picked up a dozen quarts at the local LR dealership in the parts department for about $7.50 per... Not too bad...
 

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Just wanted to share my experience on my first oil change on our 2015 LR4, I bought the MityVac 7300 and boy it could not have been any easier! Sucked it almost dry. Oil was hot and flowed super easy. It sure beats getting out the jack, stands and creeper. Not one drop of oil anywhere.

Thanks to all that have contributed to this thread.
 

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Of course, I could just mix Castrol and Mobil1, but I feel funny about it. Thoughts?
Mixing different oil brands is not a good idea. Please don't. Especially on an engine like the Jag V8 which has a unique oil specification.


EDIT: I see the stuff on ebay ... has the updated standards listed:

WSS-M2C945-A instead of WSS-M2C925-A, and GF-5 instead of GF-3

But that has to be the correct oil, right?
As a new owner of a 2010 LR4, I've been doing a lot of research into the oil specification. The original spec in the owner's manual and factory service manual is M2C925-A and they do not allow substitution of any ACEA rated oils (either A1/B1 or A5/B5). Everything I've found indicates it must be M2C925-A oil.

There have been several claims that M2C925-A was superceded to a newer Ford spec (i.e., M2C945-A?) but I've never been able to find documentation proving this, only speculation. My local Land Rover dealer sells the correct oil for about $8 per quart (exact same stuff they use in their LR4 ~$200 L/O/F service). For the moment, I'm going to use that, until I can find proof that other oils are compatible.

I also spent time looking for oils with official M2C925-A ratings. It seems there had been several, but some have vanished or become very difficult to locate from USA vendors (i.e., the unique Motul and Liqui-Moly M2C925-A oils). Mobil does not currently offer anything in the USA that meets this spec, and I would not use their 5W-20 EP. Their product finder is very clear about this: "...your vehicle manufacturer recommends a 5W-20 viscosity and oil that meets Ford WSS M2C925-A. We currently do not offer any motor oils in the United States that meet these specifications."

I did find that Red Line claims their 5W-20 is recommended for use in M2C925-A applications (click here). And, their product finder confirms this for the LR4 V8. I may try this in the future; I'd like to compare the additive package (ZDDP, moly, TBN, etc) with the dealer Castrol M2C925-A oil first before taking the plunge. Summit Racing sells the Red Line oil in gallon jugs for $48/gallon, $12/qt, free shipping over $99.

Why does it matter? Isn't all name-brand synthetic 5W-20 oil the same? Well, no, it isn't. That's more of a BITOG forum discussion though so I won't go there. Keep in mind the Jaguar AJ133 5.0L engine is an advanced design with variable valve lift which is controlled by oil pressure/flow; and Land Rover has specified 15kmi oil change intervals. Using an oil without the specific properties Jaguar intended could cause a number of interesting problems. Y'all are probably aware of the infamous timing chain / rails / tensioner issues on these engines. My personal theory is that the timing chain issues are possibly related to people either using the wrong oil spec, and/or not changing the oil by 15kmi max, or using a poorly-rated oil for 15k intervals where the 'wrong' oil cannot perform correctly for that long of a service interval.

I may be completely wrong, but given the cost of repairing or replacing this fancy 5L engine, do you really want to pinch pennies and not use the oil spec Land Rover requires? I mean it's not like the M2C925-A oil is $30/qt or something crazy. My local dealer may be better priced than others at $8/qt, but is $12-14/qt really end of the world? Another $50 every year or so vs cheaper oil? I was more grumpy about the cost of an OE oil filter (~$30) made in China, lol.

So anyway. If anyone actually read to the end of my rant, do you really need a diagnostic tool to reset the service interval on the 2010-2013 LR4? And does that mean the GAP IID tool only, or will something else work (without paying the dealer)? I read all 18 pages and never saw a definite answer.

Thanks!
:beer:
 

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Mixing different oil brands is not a good idea. Please don't. Especially on an engine like the Jag V8 which has a unique oil specification.



As a new owner of a 2010 LR4, I've been doing a lot of research into the oil specification. The original spec in the owner's manual and factory service manual is M2C925-A and they do not allow substitution of any ACEA rated oils (either A1/B1 or A5/B5). Everything I've found indicates it must be M2C925-A oil.

There have been several claims that M2C925-A was superceded to a newer Ford spec (i.e., M2C945-A?) but I've never been able to find documentation proving this, only speculation. My local Land Rover dealer sells the correct oil for about $8 per quart (exact same stuff they use in their LR4 ~$200 L/O/F service). For the moment, I'm going to use that, until I can find proof that other oils are compatible.

I also spent time looking for oils with official M2C925-A ratings. It seems there had been several, but some have vanished or become very difficult to locate from USA vendors (i.e., the unique Motul and Liqui-Moly M2C925-A oils). Mobil does not currently offer anything in the USA that meets this spec, and I would not use their 5W-20 EP. Their product finder is very clear about this: "...your vehicle manufacturer recommends a 5W-20 viscosity and oil that meets Ford WSS M2C925-A. We currently do not offer any motor oils in the United States that meet these specifications."

I did find that Red Line claims their 5W-20 is recommended for use in M2C925-A applications (click here). And, their product finder confirms this for the LR4 V8. I may try this in the future; I'd like to compare the additive package (ZDDP, moly, TBN, etc) with the dealer Castrol M2C925-A oil first before taking the plunge. Summit Racing sells the Red Line oil in gallon jugs for $48/gallon, $12/qt, free shipping over $99.

Why does it matter? Isn't all name-brand synthetic 5W-20 oil the same? Well, no, it isn't. That's more of a BITOG forum discussion though so I won't go there. Keep in mind the Jaguar AJ133 5.0L engine is an advanced design with variable valve lift which is controlled by oil pressure/flow; and Land Rover has specified 15kmi oil change intervals. Using an oil without the specific properties Jaguar intended could cause a number of interesting problems. Y'all are probably aware of the infamous timing chain / rails / tensioner issues on these engines. My personal theory is that the timing chain issues are possibly related to people either using the wrong oil spec, and/or not changing the oil by 15kmi max, or using a poorly-rated oil for 15k intervals where the 'wrong' oil cannot perform correctly for that long of a service interval.

I may be completely wrong, but given the cost of repairing or replacing this fancy 5L engine, do you really want to pinch pennies and not use the oil spec Land Rover requires? I mean it's not like the M2C925-A oil is $30/qt or something crazy. My local dealer may be better priced than others at $8/qt, but is $12-14/qt really end of the world? Another $50 every year or so vs cheaper oil? I was more grumpy about the cost of an OE oil filter (~$30) made in China, lol.

So anyway. If anyone actually read to the end of my rant, do you really need a diagnostic tool to reset the service interval on the 2010-2013 LR4? And does that mean the GAP IID tool only, or will something else work (without paying the dealer)? I read all 18 pages and never saw a definite answer.

Thanks!
:beer:


Look I used to overthink it too but you really don't have to make your life as complicated and expensive. I even went down the path of tracking down Castrol engineers (2012) and the reply was to use the top Castrol Syntec and change more frequently. If you are still under warranty then by all means use the proper dealer Castrol but...the 5.0L was developed over 12 years ago, it is not "advanced technology" anymore. The 925 spec is extra additives (Ca and Zn among others to deal with Land Rovers famous 24k km oil change interval (along with the BS lifetime transmission fluid change interval lol). You can spend your money and time at the dealers or you buy a quality synthetic in the proper grade and change more frequently which eliminates the search for a fancy extended interval oil with a mysterious add pack.

I now change oil spring and fall (about 9-10k kms interval) and change the filter in the spring. Voila, no need for 925. My oils of choice are either Castrol Syntec (gold bottle) or the Mobil1 EP. My last 2010 LR4 had 230k kms on the clock and no noise from the tensioners. My current ride is at 142k kms and it is silent. The same goes for oil filters. I have ordered Mann, Mahle, WIX and OEM LR and they all look identical. I think they all get cranked out of the same factory. BTW I think you are on the right track with extended oil intervals causing problems with the timing chain tensioner.

If you want a real problem to over think then spend some time figuring out how gunky the backsides of your intake valves are due to the first generation DI engine design...Sooner or later they will need attention or at least a good BG intake treatment.
 

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I also spent time looking for oils with official M2C925-A ratings. It seems there had been several, but some have vanished or become very difficult to locate from USA vendors (i.e., the unique Motul and Liqui-Moly M2C925-A oils). Mobil does not currently offer anything in the USA that meets this spec, and I would not use their 5W-20 EP. Their product finder is very clear about this: "...your vehicle manufacturer recommends a 5W-20 viscosity and oil that meets Ford WSS M2C925-A. We currently do not offer any motor oils in the United States that meet these specifications."

This is most likely just a function of the website not having the full information in its database.

In other, non-USA markets, Mobil says that Mobil-1 meets the spec:

http://mobil.cosan.com/en/veiculos/carro/mobil-1-5w-20

Looking at the MSDS from that page and comparing it to the MSDS for Mobil 1 on the American site, both have the same product code.

In other words, it's the same stuff.

This said, it's probably a moot point because I don't think anyone should abide by LR's 15k service intervals, no matter what oil they use.
 

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