Drove the new Discovery and I'm totally confused now.

colorover said:

A few thoughts from an owner with combined ~150k miles in an LR3 and SCV6 LR4. We've had our LR4 loaded with people, dog, luggage, and drag from skis on the roof, and the SCV6 has been excellent. Effortless at highway speeds up to and over 80mph, climbing steep grades at high altitude. I'd love a V8, but I think a lot of the negative comments have more to do with the *thought* of downgrading the power v. their actual performance. The 8 speed is a gem and keeps the engine nicely in its sweet spot, without a lot of hunting. Short of a 400+ hp V8, this engine wins. Only thing I truly do not like is the rotary shift knob...

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mpinco said:

The SCV6 was derived from the 5.0 V8, hardly a dinosaur.

New Jaguar V8 revealed in Detroit

That design makes lots of torque early in the power band and better matches a vehicle targeted at off-road vs. smaller turbo engines that lag and produce less torque.

For offroad and towing I'll take displacement or supercharging over turbo any day.

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epiclr4 said:

I had a thread on this forum of my vehicle and talked about it there. Ultimately I bought the LR4 in the winter time and so once it started getting hot realized the AC wouldn't work. They replaced everything in the entire system at least once and it still wouldn't work. Talking to guys who still work at the dealership they all say they have never seen the issue again. I think it was the luck of the draw but between dealing with the dealership and the process of lemon lawing it the other half refused to have another one. Now today she says a different story as I think she really liked the LR4 and misses it as well.



Still say the dream would be the LR4 Body/Chassis, 50i BMW Engine, BMW iDrive and RRS active sway bars all put together in the LR4. Would be my ideal vehicle.




This really is a great list. I've thought about every one of these vehicles and yet I have a burning desire like @colorover to own a Raptor. Deep burning desire that every time I bring it up the misses ****** on and puts out. Such a great blend of power, big tires, size, space and still a truck with a bed. Honestly really hoping the new Wrangler Pickup truck comes true as I think it would better suit my life/needs than a full sized truck.

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Surfrider77 said:

I keep looking at the new Raptor too. What is offered straight off the factory line is incredible. Though, as a daily driver, the thing is absolutely massive. Parking would suck here. Second and most importantly, at the end of the day it is nothing more than a pickup truck. $70k on a loaded up 2017 Raptor is a ton of money and it will depreciate FAST. The LR4s have held up extremely well in value over the years.

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epiclr4 said:

Well, this is a debated topic in my mind as the previous Raptor didn't depreciate at all. If you were able to get one for sticker or less and put 40-50k miles on it, 4 years later you basically lost nothing. Wasn't until this new model started coming out that price came down. And to be honest, for a low mileage one of the final year or two of production prices are still only about $10k off from sticker on a dealer lot.

However, I do feel with Ford saying they will produce more Raptors this go round than last time and make it more available that it could potentially not hold value as well as the 1st Gen. That said, if people keep paying the $10k markup and you are able to source a dealership that will give it to you at sticker you should be ahead of the game for some time. Most dealers I have seen are going $5-10k markup. I refuse to pay it so I don't have one yet. Once the newness wears off and dealers need to move them for new model year and what not hopefully it will get more reasonable.

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Surfrider77 said:

There are people on the Raptor forum getting MSRP already. It will soon drop below that. The dealers asking markup are just wishful thinking at this point. I don't think it helps these new trucks loaded up wear a $70k MSRP sticker. That's quite a leap over the previous gen. Not sure how stateside values held up, but over here they depreciated just like any other truck. You can get a 2014 with low miles for about $30-$35k here.

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Surfrider77 said:

You are quoting an article from 2009. Don't know how you cut it, but that is not new. All of the other manufacturers going turbo engines are completely new designs. The SCV6 comes from an 8 year old V8 that they neutered down for .. reasons.

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