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jettore

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I was really hoping the Defender 90 would be something of interest for my next vehicle, but I don't think I can get over the stupid giant fake pillar. I just don't understand purposely making a blindspot and giving back seat passengers no view. My kids would hate riding back there. Luckily we won't be getting rid of the LR4 for a long time. I guess I'm back to looking at a wrangler for my car replacement at some point.
 

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I have read the rear pillar is an option on the 90. On the 110, it would only block the view of the 3rd row passengers.
 

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Per Land Rover: The Signature Graphic (the square piece) is not featured on the U.S. 2020MY Defender 90 First Edition, but is shown in global assets.

If you google images of the First Edition 90, the square piece is missing, so it is most likely going to be optional in the future.
 

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Per Land Rover: The Signature Graphic (the square piece) is not featured on the U.S. 2020MY Defender 90 First Edition, but is shown in global assets.

If you google images of the First Edition 90, the square piece is missing, so it is most likely going to be optional in the future.


Ah, so it seems like an option. It looks so much better without it.
 

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I’d really like to see the torque figures as well! Especially relative to its weight...
Call me old fashioned but as the saying goes “there’s no replacement for displacement”. And I’m sure you’re like me and would prefer the 6 rather than the 4 cylinder..
Either way it’s down to a test drive to see for ourselves rite?

Now if we’re talking new school then an all electric offering would be a game changer. And to that point the Rivian hopes to be in the same ballpark as far as price. Will be really great to see if they manage to make it happen and actually bring their suv and truck to market!

The P400 uses both a supercharger and a turbo. The supercharger is electric and not belt-driven; it's supposed to help out at the low end of the RPM range, and the turbo helps out on the high end. My guess is that on the 4cyl engine, the turbo is smaller and tuned more as an "all rounder" and not just for the higher end?

My only concern about the P400 engine is the longevity. The electric supercharger has its own 48v battery, uses regenerative braking (if you've ever driven an electric car, you know what this is) and it just seems like a different world of headaches potentially waiting to happen.

The good news is that this engine is already being used in the Range Rover Sports as of the 2019 model year (to get the 400 hp version, you've got to spring for the $82k RRS HST model), so if there are any immediate problems, they'll be known by the time most of us are ordering our Defenders.
 

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Not very glowing review of the P400 on the 2019 Range Rover sport

https://news.yahoo.com/2019-range-rover-sports-high-200000676.html

But the proof is in the driving, and that experience is less than inspiring. Objectively, the new engine brings no improvement in performance, despite gains of 55 ponies and 74 lb-ft of torque over the supercharged 3.0-liter V-6 it replaces. Compared to the last Range Rover Sport V-6 we tested, the new HST's 6.0-second zero-to-60-mph time is a tenth slower and the same as a proletarian Honda Pilot's. The Range Rover's meager 0.81 g of cornering grip is on par with the Honda's as well. Forget sporty SUVs such as the Mercedes-AMG GLC43 coupe, BMW X5 xDrive40i, and Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio, as their performance humbles the HST for tens of thousands less. Fuel economy, if anyone purchasing a six-figure SUV really worries about that, has improved slightly. Both the P360 and P400 variants better the old supercharged V-6's EPA city, highway, and combined fuel economy ratings by 2 mpg, although our 5384-pound test car (201 pounds heavier than our last V-6 Sport) averaged just 16 mpg during its time with us.

Big ouch. They only averaged 16mpg? Must have had their foot in it all the time.

I don't really care about 0-60 times too much. What I care about is bombing up mountain passes on highways. Keep me out of the slow lane, and I'm happy.
 

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