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chakadog

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Since we're discussing cost would you guys mind jumping in with thoughts about an estimate I have for the following ('14 LR4 with 116,00 miles). All preventative maintenance - I got no leaks whatsoever at the moment. The water pump was done at 40k. No evidence the crossovers have ever been refreshed. I see a few different estimates up-thread but nothing about costs for both pipes + water pump.

new front crossover - $1800
new water pump - $1200
supercharger oil refresh - $75
(also transmission service but that's another discussion)

I think they have double-charged me on the labor? Once the manifold and water hoses are off the water pump is a gimme. Right?

I also want to add the rear cross-over to this ticket but certainly not if they're gonna throw another $1,000 labor with each new part! This indy is repeatable and I believe honest—at the moment I'm just thinking the front desk guy was *not* thinking in returning these quotes.

Also per Fuji4 I'll ask that we change all the upper radiator hoses, thermostat, pcv valve.

But let's get a grip on those numbers first. Thoughts?

on edit: *reputable* ‍
 
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400-500 in parts would cover water pump and both crossovers.

you don't necessarily need to pull the intake to do the water pump, at least on the V8.

I can't comment on the labor required to pull the supercharger to access the crossovers on the BY.
 

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i could have had this job done in under 2 hours. Mind you, mine is a V8.

What resources did you use to do this, I'm thinking of doing it myself when it gets cooler.
If you watch the Youtube Samcrac videos where he tries to get the supercharged RR sport running the 5.0 engine becomes a lot less intimidating to take apart.
 

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Chakadog...

Change the front and REAR crossovers. Just do it. Before you even drive again. I had just had water pump replaced and cooling system serviced, dealer said all was fine, at 103000 miles. ...

$21036.47 and new engine...runs great. Total engine failure at 65mph, in LESS THAN 1 MINUTE. Not worth it.

Every one, if you still have these then change asap. Just not worth the risk, especially when it is a known problem. Not a bad DIY job, but even dealer price is pennies compared to engine change. Back is harder and time consuming because of need to remove supercharger. And having done that, SC coupler or snorkel rebuild is a good idea as are timing chain or at least guides. Water pump as well. Otherwise, it's all pretty durable with good maintenance.
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[mention]Robin Parsons [/mention] is right. The crappy coolant crossover pipes are some of the engine's biggest liabilities - if they haven't been done by 75K I think they should be done pre-emptively. The likelihood of failure is too high and the cost of failure is also too high....as Robin knows. I did mine literally the week I bought my truck at 72K miles.


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I plan on doing mine Fall 2021 when my ‘13 will be 8 years and just over 50k miles. I might do the transmission fluid then too.
 

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What resources did you use to do this, I'm thinking of doing it myself when it gets cooler.
If you watch the Youtube Samcrac videos where he tries to get the supercharged RR sport running the 5.0 engine becomes a lot less intimidating to take apart.

what do you mean by resources?
i followed the video in post 19 in this thread.
https://www.landroverworld.org/threads/diy-water-pump-and-crossover-pipe-video.30519/page-2

remove engine cover.
remove fan shroud.
drain coolant . lower left of radiator is coolant pipe, disconnect it to allow it to drain.
disconnect a few coolant and vacuum hoses on top of the engine, and harness at the throttle body.
disconnect the silver fuel crossover pipe on top of manifold. keep a rag handy to spilled fuel. Keep a few rags handy if you had turned the ignition on in the past 2 hours.
unbolt the 10 (?) bolts holding the manifold down.
maneuver manifold up and forward. keep in mind to disconnect the wire harness at the rear. also take note of how the coolant hose under the manifold is routed. I left the hose on the bottom connected, just twisted the manifold out of the way and layed in on the left (driver) side of the engine bay
remove and replace the front coolant pipe.
clean up all the coolant that spilled out of the pipe and into the valley. took me a whole roll of paper towels.
Disconnect the wire harness/bracket at the rear of the engine, under the cowl. wires can be left connected, but the hold down for the wire harness needs to be removed so you can move the harness out of the way as needed.
remove the rear crossover pipe. A couple screws have to be done by feel. and be prepared for some cuts on your hand as it is wedge in awkward positions. I also found "getting comfortable" sitting on top of the engine was the only way to get to these bolts.
There is 1 harness plug into the coolant pipe. make note of this plug. **i mistakenly swapped this plug for the one at the rear of the manifold during re-assembly. caused a no start issue, tow to the dealer and a $700 bill***
install the new rear coolant pipe.
install everything in reverse order.
dont forget to reconnect the lower coolant hose.
refill with coolant. If you dont have one, Id recommend a vacuum coolant fill tool. I use this one: https://www.ecstuning.com/b-schwaben-parts/coolant-refill-air-purge-tool/003466sch01/
it makes filling the coolant a 5 minute process and nearly guarantees you have no leaks or air in the system.

good luck!
 

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Ah well crap—reading the how-tos gives me a little buyers remorse but I'm getting old and my better half won't let me spend days outside wrestling Rover Fixes to the ground. Avoiding opportunity cost comes at a cost.

But with a much lighter wallet the rig is back with
  • new crossovers (both)
  • new water pump
  • supercharger oil and checkup (bearings were fine)
  • new transmission fluid and service, reset adaptations
  • new brake fluid (pairs nicely with new coolant)
  • misc new hoses, belts
Truck passed every 60-odd-point test except failed air filters because of unknown age, and spark plugs are 10k over replacement. That I *will* do myself but from reading here sounds like I'll spend an average of 30mins on each of 6 plugs for a total of three hours.

Oh and the tech noted my tires were oversized and "rubbed a little bit" but I knew that.

So unless something seriously deep goes wrong (timing chain, main seals, etc.) I'm hoping to be good for another 100k.

Interestingly this shop which sees many range rovers, defenders, and discoveries was intimately familiar with the Front Crossover Surprise, but had never seen the rear blow up.

Also I have to admit that seeing a sweetly pimped up Defender with fully restored and galvanized frame, modern interior, and a BMW v-12 "reliability package" kinda made my afternoon and gave me some confidence the shop knew what they were doing.
 

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