LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

AdventureTim said:

No disagreement at all about the LR4 being the last of its breed. I almost pulled the trigger on an almost new LC200, but just couldn't get to the point of liking the thing. The LR4 has orders of magnitude more refinement than the Toyota, and from reading the IH8MUD forums, they're also not immune from problems and repair costs seem to be similar to those for the LR. I think part of the reason Toyota has retained their reliability is through a lack of innovation, and just mild evolution of existing products. I was blown away when opening the door of the 200 to see a little push-button "door is closed" switch in plain view - I haven't owned a car in the last 15 years that had that old school technology! The product design of the 200's trunk is archaic compared to the LR4.

I have no intentions of getting rid of my LR4, but the dealerships up here in Washington certainly have a different point of view to what some of you have experienced. They keep sending me mail trying to convince me to switch in to a D5, offering a $22.5k trade for my 60k mile 2015 HSE Lux with HD pack.

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I looked really seriously at the LCs and just couldn't do it. I get that they're solid with massively long 300,000 mile / 25 year duty cycle engineering but not for $80K for a used one. Nuts.


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I've been looking at 200 series recently as well.

The earlier iterations have problems with water pumps and radiators. Not catastrophic, but problems nonetheless. The water pump leaks and goes out eventually, and the radiator develops a crack on the top near where a mould-line is.

The starter can also go out, and it's a PITA to replace.

The early iterations of the 8-speed transmission (2016 +) had issues, but they may or may not have been addressed in an ECU flash you can get from the dealer.

The cam towers (just under the head, back of the engine, normally on the passenger side) start leaking oil on pretty much all of them.

None of those really make them unreliable (I suppose the starter issue could), but none of the big problems LR4s have really make them unreliable, either. Especially if the owner knows enough to stay on top of them.

To be honest, the biggest draw about them is the fact that you can generally rest assured they won't depreciate like a rock, especially if Toyota decides to not bring the next generation of Land Cruiser to the U.S.

I've noticed recently here in Oz that there are now no adverts for the Land Cruiser 200. The current stock is not being discounted at all. The range topping Sahara is now over AUD$127,000- new & used vehicles are almost as expensive. We now only have the V8 diesel as the gas V8 drank too much for offroading or heavy towing here in our vast distances. The reason for this is the rumour that the V8 diesel will be gone when the new 300 series 'Cruiser arrives replaced by a V6 turbo diesel, probably a hybrid. Aussies are not
going to buy them in serious numbers, so used 200's are going to retain value forever.
Exactly the same applies to Land Rover, only LR was a few years ahead of Toyota. The D5 here does not sell AT ALL to serious offroaders - even with its great 3.0lt diesel. We don't often see them towing here either.
The D4's are increasing in value, although it's hard to judge as few D4's ever hit the market. My insurance
provider has upped my "agreed value" this year by a decent amount. Defender has sold so poorly so far & now with the 2021 models announced it is interesting to note that the 4 cyl. diesels are replaced by the straight six turbo diesel. That may help with sales but they're all much too expensive - crazy prices!
I hear that North America will also get the Defender 3.00lt diesel in 2021.
I just sit back & watch what's happening in the industry - it's entertaining as I've no intention of selling my
2014 D4 TDV6 as long as I can keep driving it.

In the US, the last model year LC200 might be a good buy drive and hold. I had a 2014 FJ that didn’t depreciate a penny over 5 years. I bet the LC does similar.

Troy Angrignon said:

It's making me think these trucks are reverse pyramid schemes.

First buyer: $70K + $7K tax + $10K maintenance, then sells it for $40K (net loss $43K)
Second buyer: Buys it for $40K + $4K tax + $10K maintenance, sells it for $20K (net loss $34K)
Third buyer: Buys it for $20K + $2K tax + $10K maintenance, keeps it forever because all the stuff is fixed!...

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I figured that my LR4 will be the last of the line for my LR ownership. The D5 is a rebadged Explorer as far as I'm concerned. I might consider a 110 (would prefer the coming 120), but that will be a few years down the road, when I CAN BECOME THE THIRD OWNER :-D

Well, just to put this out there. I own a 2011 LR4 with the heavy duty pkg, full sized spare and low range gear. I have been looking to buy a 2016 LR4 (want to keep the same body design!), but finding one available in white, with the beige interior AND the heavy duty pkg, low range gear and full size spare has been impossible. Looking for 50,000 to 70,000 miles.
If anyone has one for sale....pls let me know!

@Jeeptour Jodi - Good Luck with your search, I just bought a 2016 LR4 with 48K miles, I was looking to get one with low gear as well, but there aren't many of those, and without that option, I still ended up paying above 40K.
When started looking in February this year, they were not that bad, now the price has gone up more. As many others, I was waiting to upgrade my LR3 with a LR5 (D5), but after test driving it and having one of the top spec ones as a loaner for a week, decided against it.
For me, LR4 with most of the maintenance done is a better option, and I see the used car dealers are also picking up on the demand.
I saw one at the Dallas Landrover dealership listed at 60K, with around 25K miles on it .

This whole thread is excellent.


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If anyone is interested:

I've got a 2015 White with ebony interior LR4 HSE LUX heavy duty package with upgraded leather and pretty much everything but adaptive cruise. I recently updated both the crossovers, water pump, hoses, plugs, new rotors/pads, etc and new supercharger snout with an upgraded isolator. It's got about 74k. I'm getting ready to buy a new sprinter van so I'm thinking of selling. I'd let it go for $39k and that includes a transferable warranty with just about 3 years and 40k miles left. Also, includes evo wheels w/new bfg km2 265/65R18 with same spare.

cperez said:

I just shared this post with a good friend who is dismayed that his 2011 LR4 (~100K miles) is getting a rebuilt transmission after a botched fluid swap by an indy.

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Could you elaborate further on this "botched fluid swap" story, @cperez? For science.

I'm about to swap my plastic OEM pan out for the 2 piece BritPart steel pan and filter kit, fill with fresh ZF fluid, and an aftermarket Summit Racing gasket (everyone I've read here/spoke to at our dealership says the paper and OEM gaskets leak when used with the BritPart steel pan).


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