2012 LR4 Electrical power loss

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On a 2012 LR4, I get occasional (but very brief!) complete electrical system failures that result in the headlights turning off, engine cutting out, stereo resetting , gauges going dark etc. It's only a fraction of a second when it happens, but sometimes it blinks 2-3 times (still less than a second total). Every time it has happened while driving, it always starts running again and has never left me stranded. If it weren't for the headlights blinking at night making it so obvious, it would hardly noticeable during the daytime. The first few times it happened, it was like hitting a big expansion joint in the road at 70mph.

After such things happen, when I eventually park the truck and hit the start/stop butting, the truck instantly de-powers completely: The engine shuts off normally enough, but all accessories turn off instantly (dome lights, 12v charger plugs, etc). When the start/stop button is pushed again, the truck boots up like you would see after installing a new battery: The mechanical clock spins around to 12am, the digital clock resets to 12, the infotainment system does a cold boot.

It's a strange fault since whatever is happening is like disconnecting the battery and alternator at the same time! I don't know if there is a main relay or a battery management relay that could cause such cutoffs.

Any idea?

I do have a brand new battery that was installed by a reputable land rover specialty mechanic, but the problem did not go away. They have not replaced anything else that I know of in troubleshooting this. I want to replace the negative cable that houses the Battery Management system, but I thought it would be wise to ask you all for any insight before we start throwing parts at this thing. Even with a new/charged battery, you can't run the stereo or dome lights for very long without the engine running before you get the battery discharge messages on the infotainment screen.

The symptoms are very much like a relay that opens/re-closes almost instantly or "chatters", but I know very little about the LR4 electrical system.

Any insight would be appreciated!

I've had timing chains/tensioner/phasers changed on this thing (at great expense!), so I hope to keep her running for a while!
 

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Jeepers, thats a problem.
By looking at the electrical diagram, can you nail this down to one fuse box?
if not, one mega fuse?
If not, one battery lead or grounding point?

Specifically, which systems are affected?
 

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The central junction box seems to be the common factor for literally everything on these vehicles.

More searches have turn up this thread:


Reading that thread makes me want to trade this thing in! I live over an hour from the nearest dealer or qualified mechanic, so it's a major ordeal to have anyone look at it!
 

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There have been a couple of reports on these forums of the ignition relay going bad. That could definitely give you the power loss while driving. I’m not sure if it would cause the ECU reset.

A bad ground strap or a bad ground to the ECU (or a short in the power side) would probably cause both behaviors. I believe the ground strap connects someplace in the passenger side front fender. Check the connection points for corrosion, but if the strap itself is corroded or frayed, replace it.

I believe the ECU is located someplace near the central junction box (passenger side under the glove box), though I’m not 100% certain. The wiring diagram for a UK version of the car shows the ground on the left side, but I think it’s the opposite for us. If they did the wiring symmetrically, it would put the ground up the sidewall of the footwell just a few inches (just forward of the passenger door. But I don’t have a wiring diagram for this car, so I’m just guessing.

This placement of the ground wires in the passenger footwell makes them vulnerable to corrosion following a sunroof drain leak. If you ever had a sunroof drain leak in the past, this would probably be something to check out.
 

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Followup! After months with zero symptoms, the truck appeared to have a dead battery this morning after being rained on.

When checking the battery, i get 12.5 volts, but only 4.5 bolts leaving the relay (?) On the negative battery cable. Photos attached.
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I'm not sure if the issue is the neagtive battery cable itself or an input to the body control module causing the relay to open. Unplugging the 2 wire connector (on the relay module on the negative battery lug )does not change the 4.5v reading.
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I think i should just change the battery cable, has anyone had a similar experience with these negative battery cable assemblies seemingly going bad?
 

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Great diagnostic test.

The negative battery cable needs to be replaced. Excessive resistance in the internal contacts.
 

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I wasn't sure if that device was a current measurement shunt or a relay/mosfet, but either way, I've ordered a new BMS/negative cable assembly new and will disassemble the original after I swapped get the new one installed.
 

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I’d check the cables and bottoms of the CJB. In theory, even though the battery is just a giant “capacitor” when running, because the alternator is connected to the positive cable, if it was rhetorical battery, the engine would still run fine and not stumble…in theory. That said, batteries can cause LOTS of headaches.

The negative cable is only 6” long or so and connects to a chassis ground right behind the CJB. I’d start by checking that point for corrosion/rust.

After that, I’ve seen several CJB’s that look great from the top, but when you lift them up are extremely corroded on the bottom side where all the wires connect. Truthfully, this would be my first suspect given the symptoms you’re describing.

At least checking the ground points and looking at the CJB is free! FYI, the CJB lifts up by releasing the two front “clips” (similar to the battery and ABS covers) then it pivots up and out(ish)…the wires don’t let it move much, but if you cut the 2 cable ties holding the wires to the top CJB frame there’s more play. Just don’t forget to put new cable ties in when you’re don’t.
 

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