Johnson Rods vs Proud Rhino

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I'm not sure if enough lifted Defenders exist in the wild for an informed opinion, but I'll ask anyway. I'm trying to decide which lift rods to get. The Johnson Rods only lift 1.5" and when I inquired I was told this was done to preserve suspension travel off road and handling characteristics on road. The Proud Rhino is a 2" lift and IMO looks better. I certainly want to minimize any deterioration of capability either off or on road, but I'm torn as to which I should use (quite frankly I'm tempted to buy both and switch them off and see if I can tell a difference in how they drive on/off road. Does anyone have any other feelings or thoughts?
 

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When you see Laura S next time ask her about her the problem she ran into with the johnson rods. That might be enough to sway you to the PRs.
 

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Hey [mention]DonMitsu [/mention] they just spent how many hundred million engineering that vehicle to run at that height? Why would you REDUCE its handling capability on-road by INCREASING its center of gravity. On the highway, if anything you'd want to lower it. Why not just go with something like a LLAMS controller or IID Tool. I personally can't fathom why anybody would drive at highway speed with a lift like that. Puddling around town, looking cool? Sure - highway speed? No, you're reducing the vehicle's effectiveness (at least to some degree) in high speed avoidance maneuvers. And you don't need to look cooler at 70mph.


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LOL, thank you for your input. There is no IID tool for these trucks. We like the appearance, the higher seating position, and the additional clearance for larger tires. Our LR4 with a 2" lift and larger tires has never disappointed us in highway performance, if I wanted a vehicle for high speed maneuverability, I would chose a car designed for high speed maneuverability. I hope that answers your question
 

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LOL, thank you for your input. There is no IID tool for these trucks. We like the appearance, the higher seating position, and the additional clearance for larger tires. Our LR4 with a 2" lift and larger tires has never disappointed us in highway performance, if I wanted a vehicle for high speed maneuverability, I would chose a car designed for high speed maneuverability. I hope that answers your question
Definitely does although I think the whole “use a lift in order to fit bigger tires issue” has been put to bed many times in this forum. I also thought GAP said they were working on an update. Anyway, was just curious. Thanks for the answer!


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I've run PR on an LR3 and my current RRS, on and offroad. Never had an issue at all. Just get an alignment after installing them and head to the hills!
 

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Hey [mention]DonMitsu [/mention] they just spent how many hundred million engineering that vehicle to run at that height? Why would you REDUCE its handling capability on-road by INCREASING its center of gravity. On the highway, if anything you'd want to lower it. Why not just go with something like a LLAMS controller or IID Tool. I personally can't fathom why anybody would drive at highway speed with a lift like that. Puddling around town, looking cool? Sure - highway speed? No, you're reducing the vehicle's effectiveness (at least to some degree) in high speed avoidance maneuvers. And you don't need to look cooler at 70mph.


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Absolutely right! Raising the CG adversely affects handling and maneuverability on surface streets and highways (>90% of my driving). I wanted off-road tires on my D5 but opted for the largest tire/wheel combination that would fit without having to install a lift.
 

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When you see Laura S next time ask her about her the problem she ran into with the johnson rods. That might be enough to sway you to the PRs.

Could you elaborate on this more, Don?
I can't seem to find any reference to what happened.

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Could you elaborate on this more, Don?
I can't seem to find any reference to what happened.

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I guess it would be ok. Hers had rusted through and broken off only after a few years. She does not live in a city where they have salt on the road so that was not a contributing factor.
 

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I guess it would be ok. Hers had rusted through and broken off only after a few years. She does not live in a city where they have salt on the road so that was not a contributing factor.
Thanks for sharing, Don.
Could have sworn I read that their new, updated version rods are a different metal and coating process, but I'm not certain.

Regardless, this is a good past experience to file away for those considering rods. I lean toward the electronic "lift" method via IID and don't use rods personally, but was still curious to hear about this. So, thanks!

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