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I have no idea how you reached these two conclusions because I never said, nor implied, either one.FIVESPDDISCO said:Issue one
You disagree with the industry standard of synthetic winch line.
Issue 2:
You feel the people using this shackle should be protected against misuse.
It's not about winch line vs. hoisting standards. Rope, no matter what it's made of, is covered by different standards than tools you make from the same rope. Shackles are covered by yet a different standard.The standard for hoisting is different than the standard on synthetic winch line.
antichrist said:I have no idea how you reached these two conclusions because I never said, nor implied, either one.
******** post 59antichrist said:I also was concerned about the 18,000lb WLL. Even cheap **** screw pin shackles have a 3:1 design factor and most people strongly suggest 5:1 for recovery use. I'm somewhat perplexed why all of a sudden a significantly less than 2:1 ratio is suddenly cool.
******** post 31antichrist said:I went back and read what I posted before and I'm pretty sure it's capacity will only be reduced by the weakest link, not the cumulative effect I described. But it will still be significantly less than the rating of the rope it's made from.
******** post 52antichrist said:It looks like in the video that the test machine's fixed point the rope is attached to meets rope fixed point attachment guidelines, about 3 times the diameter of the rope (one of the reasons thimbles are used on winch lines, to maintain a correct minimum bend radius). Most recovery points won't meet that requirement and so the load capacity of the rope will be reduced.
******** post 52antichrist said:Established minimum rigging guidelines specify a 3:1 safety margin (design factor) for the WLL, so breaking at 26,000lb would actually mean a WLL significantly below 18,000lb.
******** post 54antichrist said:The problem is that, based on personal observation, the majority of people off-roading don't understand safe rigging and how the load capacity would be affected by fitting one of these to a 2" pin vs. as illustrated in the OP photo.
******** post 59antichrist said:For ****'s sake, do you think you're the only person who might attach one in such a place, for whatever reason? I took you at what you later said about you not actually using it there.
I was only referencing your photo as an example of where someone might attach one in a way to significantly reduce it's capacity.
Expeditionportal post 13antichrist said:My concern is that people are used to the word "shackle" meaning a chunk of steel with a 3:1 or 5:1 design factor and that people may decide to use the soft shackle thinking it has the same rating, when in fact it's design factor is less than 1.5:1.
Even taking the quotes entirely out of context as you have, I still don't see how you can arrive at the conclusion that I don't like the industry standard for winch line (which isn't the topic) or that I think people should be protected from misuse (which is impossible to do, even assuming someone wanted to).These quotes of yours bellow is how I arrived at that conclusion.
No, why would would it be? That's what it is (a shackle)....it seems your major issue with the product is the name.
Now this is confusing. Seeing it stated that it's 9mm made it appear that the rope defied standard rope handling guidelines.The 9mm ones that Lucky8 sells...is rated for a Working Load Limit of 18,000lbs.
I call Bs! More so you do not know what you’re talking about. We use Dyneema® (SK75) . This is a great rope for winching and recovery because it will withstand to multiple cycling’s with out failure unlike others on the market.assuming it's only Amsteel-Blue (one of the lower rated synthetic ropes)http://www.samsonrope.com/index.cfm?rope=192