Made an appointment for timing chain fix
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Rover Range
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That's funny. There's no way JLR would recommend an independent shop to do their repairs ( unless it's engine machining work). The liability is too high.
itsaguything
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I know you think that. But you stand corrected. Incidentally all the techs at This inde are certified master techs from JLR just a very few years ago.
furthermore, whilst the local dealerships were under renovation, this shop was authorized to do warranty work. fwiw.
Cheers
furthermore, whilst the local dealerships were under renovation, this shop was authorized to do warranty work. fwiw.
Cheers
powershift
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I dropped the truck off this morning and this place is a Land Rover specialist. They have a JLR certified master tech there and I gave them a big list of things in addition to the timing chain work.
Some interesting fun-facts are the air compressors typically go out when there is a suspension leak that isn't fixed. The compressor runs past its duty cycle and burns out prematurely. Another case is there is some oxidization (that wasn't the exact term) that cakes into the intake and causes the piston to freeze (or something like that). He had mentioned that for the cost of repairing the front shocks I could do a coil spring conversion but I wasn't interested. The parts are non-refundable w/out exceptions. I can't think of a reason why I'd need to return them so its no big deal.
They do have a 1 year warranty in writing (thanks again for that suggestion). I'm expecting a huge quote tomorrow but I'm confident that they will do a good job. In their waiting room they had a plexi glass display of the timing chain components. The sprockets at the top are the actuators and they make a clack noise when they go bad. That is exactly what noise my truck makes. He gave a mandatory requirement over the phone previously that I replace those as part of the timing chain work. Nobody in town ever mentioned those parts. In a sense he predicted what would go wrong and what likely did go wrong. Those sprockets rotate the cam to dynamically and mechanically change the cam profiles. Improper oil change intervals cause them to fail early. He said oil should be changed 3-5k. He also suggested to change my diff fluids every 30k, mine were done once in 100k.
In the pic below, the rack has parts that are common to fail on the Land Rovers. Crossover pipes, compressors, etc. I thought it was interesting they would have that on display. They had an old design front crossover where the mold was two pieces and it was common for them to split apart. Land Rover changed the design to have a one piece tube.
Some interesting fun-facts are the air compressors typically go out when there is a suspension leak that isn't fixed. The compressor runs past its duty cycle and burns out prematurely. Another case is there is some oxidization (that wasn't the exact term) that cakes into the intake and causes the piston to freeze (or something like that). He had mentioned that for the cost of repairing the front shocks I could do a coil spring conversion but I wasn't interested. The parts are non-refundable w/out exceptions. I can't think of a reason why I'd need to return them so its no big deal.
They do have a 1 year warranty in writing (thanks again for that suggestion). I'm expecting a huge quote tomorrow but I'm confident that they will do a good job. In their waiting room they had a plexi glass display of the timing chain components. The sprockets at the top are the actuators and they make a clack noise when they go bad. That is exactly what noise my truck makes. He gave a mandatory requirement over the phone previously that I replace those as part of the timing chain work. Nobody in town ever mentioned those parts. In a sense he predicted what would go wrong and what likely did go wrong. Those sprockets rotate the cam to dynamically and mechanically change the cam profiles. Improper oil change intervals cause them to fail early. He said oil should be changed 3-5k. He also suggested to change my diff fluids every 30k, mine were done once in 100k.
In the pic below, the rack has parts that are common to fail on the Land Rovers. Crossover pipes, compressors, etc. I thought it was interesting they would have that on display. They had an old design front crossover where the mold was two pieces and it was common for them to split apart. Land Rover changed the design to have a one piece tube.
sdtim
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lol "parts that are common to fail on the Land Rovers"....they're going to need a bigger rack.
powershift
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Its missing shocks/struts. What else is it missing?
My rear crossover is 2-peice but the front looks like it is one piece. It might also be from an LR3 or prior generation. They had mostly older Land Rovers there.
ugmw177
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The V8 crossover front pipe is still the two piece "welded" design. I think they re-engineered the v6 front crossover to a one piece tube
powershift
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I was asking them to replace the remaining coolant parts (pump, t-stat, hoses, etc), I already did the rear crossover. Since the front crossover requires the intake to be removed all the coolant replacement parts went under a different quote than the timing chain components. Because of that, labor jumped $768 just for the intake manifold to be removed for the front crossover. I would get charged labor for the water pump and all the coolant stuff that would already be removed for the chain work.
So I clarified that and asked if I could just buy the front crossover pipe from them and do that myself and as a result save $768 + $135 for intake manifold gaskets since those are about 2 months old, but still have the other coolant parts replaced under the timing chain labor quote and he said yes. I'm pretty sure the front crossover isn't hard, is it?
Here is a diagram of the coolant parts they are suggesting to replace. The water pump isn't highlighted but they are doing that
And the front crossover Y pipe (two piece design) is right there in the front under where the intake would go. It looks like I would just need remove one bolt near the Y and then detach it from a hose, is that correct?
So I clarified that and asked if I could just buy the front crossover pipe from them and do that myself and as a result save $768 + $135 for intake manifold gaskets since those are about 2 months old, but still have the other coolant parts replaced under the timing chain labor quote and he said yes. I'm pretty sure the front crossover isn't hard, is it?
Here is a diagram of the coolant parts they are suggesting to replace. The water pump isn't highlighted but they are doing that
And the front crossover Y pipe (two piece design) is right there in the front under where the intake would go. It looks like I would just need remove one bolt near the Y and then detach it from a hose, is that correct?
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Rover Range
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That's a lot of money to remove the intake manifold. Comes off in less that 10 minutes.
But, the manifold can be lifted up at the front to access the Y pipe.
But, the manifold can be lifted up at the front to access the Y pipe.
