Davidinseattle
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I guess I don't understand the negativity, especially coming from LR4 owners. Farmers, grizzlied Series 1 owners or Jeepsters with coilers and 37" tires running up and down the Rubicon for a living, OK. But you own a LR4, not exactly a bastion of Land Rover classic lines and post-war heritage. The new Defender has got less cargo room than the LR4, I'll grant you that. Not acres less, but definitely less. If you are 6' and up you won't be able to sleep in it. If you want to carry 7 adults in comfort, it won't work. Those are issues the 130 should address eventually.
Other than that, why the hate? The look of the front end is such a deal breaker for you? Kinda ghei, no? Compared to the LR4 the new D110 is about 800 lbs lighter, it handles better on pavement and off, has got more passengers room, more power, goes faster, better off-road metrics in every direction, a more practical and easier to clean, but still elegant interior, better roof carrying capacity, you can fit 33" tires on it without breaking a sweat, the spare wheel is where it should be, it uses less gas and yet has a bigger fuel tank, much improved EAS, improved Terrain Response, can tow a house, infotainment and electronics in general are on a different planet and finally comparable to the competition, same great seats but now you can get them cooled AND heated, you can even option a front jumpseat if you are into those, tons of accessories from Land Rover and the aftermarket will undoubtedly support it better as well, at least judging by how fast they figured out how to fit 18" wheels and rock sliders on a P400 - literally weeks from introduction. It even looks like a LR4, and I would expect OG Defender owners to complain about that one, but not LR4 owners. And since one of the chief complaints here is that's it's ridiculously overpriced, how much was your LR4? Mine, loaded with options which is the only way I'd buy a Land Rover, was $73K and change. In 2013. My RRS in 2005 was 70K, and it wasn't even the supercharged model. My new Defender is $80K and change, in 2020. I fail to see the problem there, Land Rovers have always been expensive. If you can't afford it, that's a whole different story.
Hang in there for a year and get the Bronco with its anemic engine choices, its 35" tires that I imagine will be an absoulte dream to drive long distance, less cargo room than even a new Defender, and a price that will probably be around $60K+ to make it comparable - in features and capabilities - to a new Defender. But who knows, it's been crowned SUV of the century and nobody has driven one yet. That's a mystery to me. It does look cool and macho enough - until every car rental company starts renting thousands of base spec models to tourists around town anyway, then you might feel less special - and the doors and roof do come off: who hasn't dreamed of ripping the doors off our LR4 at one point or another? Best of all, it's a Ford. Or wait even longer for a Grenadier, that's another sure bet for us here in North America.
That's all great. Too bad it looks like a chinese knockoff of a first gen rd1. If we are all being real, it looks a bit toy like. sorry, the odd fender flares, narrowed canopy, cheap interior and the "trying way to hard to be hip" lights. I really don't know what the heck this is trying to be. It's like they used the salvador dali automotive design house. As for ride, so does a 2006 taurus, but I wouldn't want to drive one.
Suggesting this looks like an LR4 is like suggesting the the most recent version VW bug looks like an 911. Is there medicine for wishful thinking? I don't care how many times you click your ruby slippers, there's no place you can end up that has the Defendre looking like an LR4.
Not sure if you've seen the interior pics on LR.com with the humans sitting in this. LMAOROTF. It's a good laugh. I've sat in one. Suggesting there is more passenger room is just fuzzy math. One poster suggested the third row seat was useable because the second row is adjustable. Hmm, doesn't that make the second row not useable. The LR4 can comfortably sit 6 fat people and 7 HWP people. Easily.
At any rate, you say potatoes... If it looked good, I probably wouldn't bash it and it's be our replacement, but let's face it, it's not the look any of us would have picked, that would be the Grenadier.
I understand you don't understand the negativity. I've tried to explain it to you, so let's try it again. Many of of LR4 owners were hoping for a viable replacement for our LR4s. What JLR coughed up is something that many of us would be embarrassed to say we spend $80k+ on. It's that simple. And, now we are p!$$#d off that we have to figure out what we are going to drive next when the decision should have been very easy.
thank god I paid $4k to extend our warranty until 2023.