2008 JD Power dependability study

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Not a good showing by our beloved LR. I love my Dico. but this hurts a little. We all know there are small problems along the way, but the numbers are really high.

"Land Rover, which Ford sold this year to India's Tata Motors Ltd., was the worst-performing brand, with 344 problems." (That's per 100 vehicles.)

Here is the link to the article.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080807/ap_on_bi_ge/autos_dependability

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joey

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Keep in mind that it is grouping the Land Rover from 1994 - 2008 as the same model vehicles.
 

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^^^^^^^Exactly. Plus, I didn't buy a Land Rover because of their reliability - if that was all I cared about, I would have bought a Lexus (or apparently a Mercury!). There are many other intangibles that make the 3.4 problems per vehicle (on avg) worth it.

-Rich
 

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I did not realize that they are lumping in that many years. No wonder they get those figures. Land Rover has come a long way since 1994. As usual, there is more to it than meets the eye. I agree Rich. I am a loyalist to LR and if possible will replace the Disco in the future with a LR3.
 

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Just to clarify the study

The 2008 Vehicle Dependability Study is based on responses from more than 52,000 original owners of 2005 model-year vehicles. The study was fielded from January through April 2008.

Don't get me wrong I agree with the richpike that 3.4 problems is not the end of the world considering what you get.
 

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Reliability

I love MG's, but they also had a reputation for trouble. I can see how this result can cause some discomfort for LR lovers. I can say that no-one supported my purchase of a Freelander, but I went ahead anyway, and paid dearly. But, I also learned not to buy ANY car that does not have at least 2 or 3 years on the road plus a rating on Consumer Reports. The 2002 V6 US spec Freelander had neither, no data and no road time. Making it a risk even if it was a marque such as Honda known for reliability.
 

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Consumer Reports. The Land Rovers lose because they don't handle like a Porsche and they don't get the same gas milage as a sailboat. There not PC
 

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NEW YORK – British luxury carmaker Jaguar surged to the top of J.D. Power and Associates' closely watched vehicle dependability study this year, tying Buick for the No. 1 spot and dethroning Lexus for the first time since the Japanese luxury brand has been a part of the survey.

Lexus, Toyota Motor Corp.'s luxury brand, took the next spot in the study released Thursday, followed by Toyota's namesake brand, then Mercury, Infiniti and Acura.

"Buick and Jaguar both lead the industry in nameplate performance," said Neal Oddes, director of product research and analysis at J.D. Power. "In terms of individual model performance, Lexus and Toyota still do very, very well."

The annual study measures problems experienced by the original owners of vehicles after three years. Suzuki owners reported the most problems among the 37 brands assessed by J.D. Power.

Despite losing its crown to Jaguar and Buick, Lexus still swept top awards in four segments, while Toyota's namesake brand took five awards. General Motors Corp.'s Buick LaCrosse was J.D. Power's top midsize car, while Ford Motor Co.'s Lincoln brand took two awards. Chrysler LLC, which took no segment awards last year, won top honors for its Dodge Caravan in the van segment.

Jaguar's sudden jump to the top from its No. 10 spot in 2008 was notable for a study that is fairly consistent from year to year. Oddes said the brand has made significant improvements across many areas.

"We see improvements all over the board with Jaguar," Oddes said, citing fewer reported problems with vehicle exterior, sound system and the overall driving experience. "The improvement at a nameplate level is significant."

Still, Jaguar, which Indian car giant Tata Motors Ltd. bought from Ford in 2007, remains a relatively small-volume brand in the U.S. It sold just 14,000 vehicles here in 2008, while Buick sold 128,000.

Oddes said this year's study was redesigned to exclude routine fixes from a vehicle's list of problems. For example, the study no longer counts tire or windshield wiper replacements as a reportable problem. The intended result is a study that focuses on actual glitches with a vehicle, Oddes said, though it also makes it difficult to make year-over-year comparisons.

"We cleaned up the survey to really try to focus in on things that are truly broken," he said.

The industry average was 170 problems per 100 vehicles, or somewhat less than two problems per vehicle. Last year, the industry average was 206 problems per 100 vehicles, but year-over-year improvements this year are much less pronounced when accounting for the changes in the study's methodology, Oddes said.

The most frequently reported problem was wind noise, followed by brake noise, peeling paint, brake vibrations and problems with a vehicle's lights, Oddes said. The problems have been fairly consistent from year to year, he said.

J.D. Power's dependability study surveyed 46,313 original owners of 2006 model-year vehicles in October 2008. The results are watched closely by automakers and are often used in advertising. Owners' opinion of a car after three years can be a major influence on their opinion to buy that brand again.

The firm also releases an initial quality study, which measures problems in the first 90 days of ownership

There may be a glimmer of hope?
 

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"The most frequently reported problem was wind noise ..." :hello: Think people. You just bought a new car, of course its not going to sound like your old car that you've been driving for the last ??? years and for which your mind has tuned out the old noises, squeaks, etc. Look to the components that count, engine, trans, etc. I can always get a car repainted, but if it blows a trans, I have issues. Most people dont' realize when they switch from a car to a Rover, they are switching to a true, truck based SUV. It's DIFFERENT. Not wrong, not bad, but different.
 

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JD and CR they are biased one sided racist fools. I have owned numerous vehicles that have been rated verry poorly and had verry few problems with them. Just wish more people would open their eyes.

The data comes from surveys that were taken by owners, not editors or test drivers - regular people who own them. Having one problem-free vehicle means no more than having one lemon. It's only one. That's why the minimum of 100 surveys responses are used.

The larger point, IMHO, is that quality (as measured by problems) is only one small piece of value and usefulness. Most people don't off-road at all!
 

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