Newbie: Dhc, Tc, Abs

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I am new to the forum and am the PROUD albiet fustrated at times owner of a 2000 disco.
Since ownership in Sept of 2006, I have had head gaskets replaced w/ waterpump. I have replaced driver side window regulator and front brakes. I am not complaining, I believe it comes with the love of the vehicle.

My current problem is my TC, ABS, HDC light has come on. Situation was I was hearing brake squel from back, going down hill, may have hit a bump, then ****, lights on. I was told I need to go to dealer for diagnosis. But looking at your forum, would it be prudent to first run an Ohm metter on the wheel sensors to check to see if they are working and check and see if they have become unseated, before I spend $90 bucks on a test they may tell me the same thing??

I dont want to ramble 2 more issues, how easy would it be for a "newbie" to replace the self leveling suspension pump for the disco 2. Time wise and tool wise (anything special)

Lastly I have had similar problems of my engine initially reving high on start up waiting about 1-2 minutes for it to rev down (rough idle during that point) then it straightens out. Any ideas on simple things to do, before I take it for a check??

Glad to meet you all and thanks in advanced for the info.
 

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ahh the 3 amigos... Sounds to me like your rear brakes are having issues, this may have caused brake dust to clogged the view of the ABS Sensors. A good cleaning should help.

Self Leveling pump... never done it, but should be too hard if that is actually your issue. Many things will cause the SLS not to work correctly.

High revving could be anything from the MAF sensor dirty to Throttle position sensor to fuel pump going bad.
 

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ABS Systems
The Discovery II electronic braking system, called SLABS (self leveling antilock braking), is made by Wabco of Germany. Wabco is a subsidiary of American Standard, a company better known to the public for toilets than brakes. In the automotive field, Wabco specializes in braking and suspension systems for trucks. According to the Wabco, two out of three commercial vehicles with advanced braking systems are equipped with Wabco products. The Land Rover system includes four-wheel antilock braking, hill descent control, and four-wheel traction control. The SLABS control unit also controls the self-leveling suspension, if the vehicle has that feature. The Discovery air suspension is also a Wabco product. As an aside, Wabco air suspension is also found in the new Audi A6 and the Mercedes CLS.
One of the most common ABS questions is, Why do I see the ABS, Traction Control, and Hill Descent lights coming on? All three of those systems share a common set of
core components. The wheel speed sensors, the hubs, the modulator, the controller, and other parts serve all three systems. So a fault in any one of them will cause a problem in the other two. It is actually rare to have a fault that would only disable one of the three systems. 99% of the time, if one is affected, they all are. To see what’s wrong, you will need to connect a Land Rover test system and read the faults. These systems are not OBD II compatible, so a generic scanner won’t talk to them. You can use the T4
or Autologic tools for this work.
The most common faults are wheel speedsensor faults.
The wheel speed sensors in a Land Rover are coils that sense the motion of a toothed wheel that’s a part of the wheel hub. The rotation of the wheel induces a sine wave signal in the sensor whose frequency is proportional to the speed, and whose amplitude increases with speed from 0.5 volts to more than 5 volts. If your Rover has a speed sensor fault, there are two paths to repair. The first is to replace the entire hub on the affected corner. This is the approach favored by dealers because the toothed wheel – called a reluctor ring – and the actual sensor are both part of the hub. The reluctor can get damaged by rust or corrosion, and it can also get damaged by a bad wheel bearing. The only way to service it is to change the hub, or you can try and have it sand blasted. As of this writing, hubs (front-RND646 / rear-RND694) cost around $400 and take about three hours to change. The sensor can be removed from the hub fairly easily. If you remove your sensor and look inside you should be able to see if the reluctor ring is damaged. The reluctor ring can get damaged if the wheel bearing gets loose. It can also get damaged by corrosion. That’s especially true for Rovers that run on beaches. If you see reluctor ring damage, or corrosion, or if the hub has any free play at all – you need a complete assembly. If there is no damage, you may be able to fix the vehicle by changing the sensor (front-RN292 / rear-RNH293) alone, a $100 part that’s less than an hour to swap. The path you choose should be determined by examination of the reluctor via the sensor hole. If the hub looks good, there’s an “8 or 10” odds that a sensor alone will fix your problem. Every now and then you will see a Rover that has wiring problems, usually at the connector between ABS sensor and body. Always pull it apart and look for corrosion.
The next common fault in these systems is called shuttle valve failure. The shuttle valve is a part of the brake modulator – that big thing in the location where a master cylinder would be. The modulator incorporates the functions of an ABS servo and a brake master cylinder into one unit. If you have shuttle valve problems, you will see the three warning lights on the dash and there will be one or more stored faults for shuttle valve failure. Land Rover has a test procedure to determine if these
faults result from a failure in the modulator or if they are caused by wiring troubles in the ABS harness or grounds. Unless you have corroded grounds and cables, your trouble is probably in the modulator. Until now, this problem was addressed by replacement of the brake modulator (RNH082). That’s a $1,500 part. As you can imagine, shuttle valve failure produced a lot of unhappy owners and Land Rover
finally listened up and developed a fix. As of March 2006, Land Rover sells a shuttle valve repair kit for under $100. You will have to remove the modulator and flip it over to install the valves on a workbench. Removal of the modulator, replacement of the valve, and refit to the vehicle takes three hours or so. This shuttle valve repair is a huge improvement over the former method of addressing this problem.
The part number for the repair kit is (SW0500030). If you buy it from a dealer you may also want to ask for the March 2006 bulletin that gives test and installation instructions.

Another common problem is a mushybrake pedal. In my experience, the only explanation for a mushy pedal is improper bleeding procedure. Bleeding a Discovery II takes two people and the Land Rover test system, and it takes the two of them a bit over half an hour. You need the tester to operate the pump and valves to make sure all the air is purged from the modulator. If you are paying for this service, expect a labor bill in the range of one and a half hours and $20-30 of brake fluid. If you are not at a dealer, make sure they use the correct Castrol LMA fluid. Don’t even start this process unless the shop has a tester to run the pump and valves. You could bleed brakes in the field without one in an emergency, but there is no way to get a really good pedal without cycling pump and valves, and there is a way to do it yourself without an expensive machine.

Stop lamp circuitproblems. The usual way this problem manifestsitself is a truck that won’t shift out of park. Discovery II models have an interlock that prevents shifting out of park unless the brake is pressed. So, if the brakelight circuit fails, the car won’t go into gear. If that happens to you, the first step is to check the stop lamp fuse. I’ve seen several trucks where the stop lamps were fitted wrong, or the contacts corroded, and the fuse blew. Also check the trailer connector, if your Rover has one. A short there can pop fuses. If the fuses are good, you should check the stop lamp switch. It’s located above the brake pedal. If you are stuck somewhere, it is possible to get out of park by jumping the switch temporarily with a paper clip.

Finally, you should check your Rover to see if the brake modulator recall was done. If it was, you should have a B148 sticker on the radiator support. All Discovery II models built before spring of 2003 are subject to the recall. Land Rover found the caps on the ABS modulator were cracking under heavy off-road use. Therefore, they came up with heavier replacements. The caps are a quick bolt on installation. If you are near a dealer they will do this for you at no charge. If you can’t get to a dealer, or you’re
outside the USA, the part number for the kit is SWO500010K. Complete illustrated instructions can be found in the B148 recall bulletin, available from your dealer with the kit. This recall does not involve any hydraulic system disassembly, so the brakes won’t feel or act any differently. The heavier caps are plainly visible on top of the modulator. Once you see them, you’ll be able to tell it was done. Note: Recalls should always be done at your dealer so they can be properly recorded. Only do this yourself if you absolutely can’t get to a dealer, or if your Rover is not eligible because it’s a rebuilt salvage vehicle. Remember that you can access all of the most current service information, including workshop manuals, electrical manuals, recall notices, and service bulletinson Land Rover’swebsite,

http://www.landrovertechinfo.com

If you look on the Land Rover site under “training”you will find the introduction to the 1999 Discovery II. That training book has a 23-pagedescription of the Wabco electronic system.

I hope this helps………. Chongo
 

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Thanks for the info, I told my mechanic to hold off on that long trip to the dealer ship. Lets replace the back pads and test and clean the sensors first. I'll let you know how that works

As for the SLS I have had the air bags replaced but that pesky pump still sounds like hell, friend said compressors bad and need a replacement.

I will definately clean the MAF and have the mechanic check the throttle sensor.
 

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Chongo wow!!!

I just caught this post. This helps out tremendously and it gives me a better knowledge of the inner workings of my disco. Cant help but love the dam thing.
 

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Chongo wow ?

I didn't actually post this here, it's in my original post titled "ABS light , "ysaga " copied it and pasted it" which is cool with me, He's helping and that's what it's there for, The idea of this forum is to help, and I'm glad that's what the articles are doing. Lately I've been working too much to post anything. I'm looking forward to just a 12 hour day, not possible with what I'm doing, and my clients, But the money is awesome.
I'm goin to grab a Newcastle Beer, sit down next to my wife, and watch Paul James the Gardener guy on HGTV...........................................
So if ya have any questions, post them and I'll get back with ya.......... Happy Landrovering........... Chongo :bandit:
 

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I am new to the forum and am the PROUD albiet fustrated at times owner of a 2000 disco.
Since ownership in Sept of 2006, I have had head gaskets replaced w/ waterpump. I have replaced driver side window regulator and front brakes. I am not complaining, I believe it comes with the love of the vehicle.

My current problem is my TC, ABS, HDC light has come on. Situation was I was hearing brake squel from back, going down hill, may have hit a bump, then ****, lights on. I was told I need to go to dealer for diagnosis. But looking at your forum, would it be prudent to first run an Ohm metter on the wheel sensors to check to see if they are working and check and see if they have become unseated, before I spend $90 bucks on a test they may tell me the same thing??

I dont want to ramble 2 more issues, how easy would it be for a "newbie" to replace the self leveling suspension pump for the disco 2. Time wise and tool wise (anything special)

Lastly I have had similar problems of my engine initially reving high on start up waiting about 1-2 minutes for it to rev down (rough idle during that point) then it straightens out. Any ideas on simple things to do, before I take it for a check??

Glad to meet you all and thanks in advanced for the info.

Just a short little question here - what grade fuel were you running in your engine before the head-gasket job?
 

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Premium. Only once did I get reqular, that was due to the gas attendant completly disregarding what I told him. Tank was half full before I realized the mistake
 

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Good - always keep it at the highest octane you can get and its not just fantasy! Here's why according to some Brit Rover V8 experts of considerable repute (RPI - UK): the fuel mapping in the mid-range rpms for GEMS controlled V8s is particularly weak which has caused problems such as shifting cylinder liners, valve-sticking (particularly exhaust valves), and more rapid than normal head gasket fatigue. Even 91 octane is not ideal for these engines the way they stand (unchipped) - as they want the higher British and European octane grades that are at least 94 octane rating (which we can get from the pump at Chevron or PetroCan up here in Canada). The best long-term solution is to chip and there is a US company that matches their chip mapping to the grade of fuel you use - i.e., Powerchip - they cost around $500.00 USD. I am still debating whether to go the Powerchip USA route or go the RPI-UK double chip route which will cost about $1500.00.

If you don't mind being dilligent every time you go to the pump - you can make your engine happier by using the highest grade you can find and an octane booster. Yes, the Land Rovers destined for the North American market are supposed to be able to handle our lower octane but I think, based on my experience, that this is marginal at best. Having experimented with many different combinations of fuel and additives (and there are some very fine ones that I can no longer get up here but you may be able to south of the border) - the most solid one I have come up with to date, which make my V8 happiest, is the 94 octane Chevron plus Lucas' fuel treatment. This works solidly and dependably!

Having said all of this - your V8 (being in a 2000) may be improved over these earlier GEMS controlled models (mine is a 1997) but, at the end of the day, its still a Rover V8 and they are finnicky - no way around that!
 

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Your right about that. Finicky or not, I still love my baby.
 

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