Water Overflow hose boiling out Water

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jackboyko

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I have a 99 Disco II. I'm loosing water via the overflow tank. It seems underpressure the water gets so hot it boils out the overflow hose. This leaves me overheating. What could it be. My first thought is Thermostat. Dealer service Mgr. Says thermostat rarely goes bad. Have any thoughts or have you had a similar problem. HELP
 

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Depends on how long it takes to overheat... if under 30 minutes I would say thermostat. If only after a long hard drive, could be many things...

please provide more info.
 
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fbrems

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Overheating

Your dealer mentioned that it is not common, well I replaced on my 98 Disco before 100.000km > 2 Water Pumps and equal thermostats. On the end I removed the thermostat. (I assume in a cold country this is not advisable) Dismantling the thermostat is not a big issue and can be verified by boiling water in a container on your gas heater and check if it opens. Water pumps are usually going bad on the bearings but that is in line with a metallic noise and is easy to observe. Further than that, the radiator can be clogged or a leaking hose which visualize by the color change on the leak due to the coolant agent (pink or green) and of coarse followed by low level in your pressure tank. If you verified that in sequence, you must be close to determine your overheating problem. I'm not so sure about a 99 model, but on a 98 it is not a killer to go ahead by yourselves.
 
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poolorpond

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don't bother with the stat. Go to NAPA and get a combustion leak tester. Fill it with fluid, insert the end into the open overflow. Place the ball pump on the open end of the tester cylinder and pump. This draws any gas through the blue fluid. As the engine warms up (continuing to pump), if exhaust gas is leaking into the cooling system, the blue fluid turns yellow. This probably means cracks behind the cylinder sleeves. These can be repaired if you can find a machine shop you have confidence in. It requires pulling the bad sleeves, welding the cracks and installing new sleeves. Most blocks fail in this way so buying a used block is not a real option as they are probably on their way out too. New blocks are not cheap. Don't start throwing money at this without doing the combustion leak test. OK, yes. testing the stat is easy enough that it makes sense to rule out anything you can. But, the leak tester cost less than $50 bucks and only requires pulling the rad cap. Let us know how it goes.
 
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fbrems

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Personally I think many defects can occur on your cooling system before cracks behind the cylinder sleeves appear. The best LR ever got is the block and to my knowledge, cracked blocks are not so common in the past. If water is consumed (burned up) your overflow tank is to be filled regular while no leaks occur. I am not aware about compression gasses escaping into the cooling water, but I assume if this is the case, the cooling system will be pressurized even with a cold engine.
 
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poolorpond

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fbrems, yes, the cause of the cracks is often initially due to the failure of any number of cooling system components and the high combustion temp. But, if one of these blocks is ever aloud to overheat, cracks are soon to follow. Cracked blocks are Very common- 80% of 4.0, 25% of 3.9 and 4.2 (as stated in des Hamel's, how to power tune rover v8 engines). The higher failure of the 4.0 relates to the 196 f thermostat in the HSE used to keep the engine temp high (clean burning). Builders like Wildcat and JE engineering have gone to great lengths to compensate for these flaws in order to produce their race engines.

Lets not be too romantic about these trucks. I think they are the most capable (civilian) off- road trucks on the planet. But, since when are rovers known to be reliable. Sure they can be driven for ever, if maintained. Howeer, i dont think there is a single part on a disco designed to last more that 50K miles (joke, kind of).

Once the coolant level is below the hose to the overflow, it cant push any more out. But, by this time you will hear coolant surging through the heating system as there is air (combustion) trapped in it. When the engine is off, the pressure either leaves through the unobstructed rad cap or the other way out. When the problem gets worse and you are told by a mechanic or dealer that the head gaskets are bad, check the rear two cylinders to see if they have been steam cleaned. This is caused when cracks lead to the reverse- coolant blowing by the sleeves into the bore. You can buy a dye test for this. Ask them at NAPA. Even a good test kit is cheaper than a new rad.

i could be totally wrong about your particular problem. But I would not admit that throwing money at a problem is preferred to performing actual diagnostic tests. Moreover, these tests can be done by anyone in a few minutes for little cash.
 
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fbrems

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Waaauw, 80% and 25%, if this is the case my disco must have it. Thanks for the info.
 

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