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    How to sell a 2016 LR4 HSE Silver Edition?

    Yes, that too, instead of working harder and further developing, refining, and simplifying already introduced innovations like auto cylinders shut off tech, etc, and working on making larger displacement engines more efficient. You see, all this takes more R&D dollar and more importantly: the...
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    How to sell a 2016 LR4 HSE Silver Edition?

    Disagree. The D4 is not a classic. Age or origination point in time does not matter in D4' case (or any other well designed product for that matter), its the engineering, design, leading to the functionality thats what matters here. If the functionality is current, the design is current and...
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    Black Friday rim discounts/info! Did some research today...

    Also Thats really great to know, thx.
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    Black Friday rim discounts/info! Did some research today...

    Liking the TuffAnt' slightly concave/funnel-in design. I will take whatever concave I can get while staying within factory specs. Really liking the non-black, non-powder coated version. Anybody knows if I will need spacers with these? Ideally Id love to be able to use the LR3/4 stock 18"...
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    Jalopnik First Drive of LR4

    Came across this old one. Is this guy still around writing reviews about things he has no clue about? Unbelievable. Its jackass car critics like him that sometimes causes the manufacturer to make some ridiculous choices and decisions, thinking that thats what the customer actually wants...
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    Still apprehensive

    From 06 LR3 to now 16 LR4 here as well with only 15.7k so far, and not gonna lie, feelings are mutual. Always have this looming fear that a part can fail at any time, specially the air suspension components, anytime I am thinking about out of town, away from civilization into the desert...
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    Dont shoot it down design wise before seeing one in person. The car definitely has some presence and does look much better in real life, either on the showroom floor or passing by you on the road or parked on the curbside, than in pictures. Its only until you sit on the driver' seat and/or a...
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    Frame being replaced within only fourteen years of service is really not a good example of durability and longevity and should not be acceptable for a $45k-51k plus product (a lot more money at the time and equivalent to what a D5 /Defender costs today) from a prestige, luxury, expensive brand...
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    Yeah I am gonna have to wait this new engine tech out and see how that goes. Not planning to spend any cash on a new LR engine until it matures/gets debugged/things revised, etc. I skipped the first MY 2005 LR3 all together and waited out one full year before I purchased my 06 for the same...
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    Beats me why LR felt the need to offer TDV6 in RRS but not in a model in the entire lineup that needed it the most, aka LR4.
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    Yes but do you also see the level of ridiculous amounts of innovation that that joint constantly pumps out, and as a result, constantly driving and pushing its competitors to strive for their own while keeping them on edge all the time. And due to all this, who wins at the end of the day...
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    That thing is being born one hundred percent and straight out of passion, purpose, and function. Anything that has passion and purpose as its origin is destined to succeed, whether in the short term or the long term, period. And success is not measured by the number of units sold/per year...
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    Its really good enough only if you, a paying customer, are willing to accept it as being good enough. Its never in the hands of the manufacturers. The level of a product' quality is directly related to the level of passivity in its intended target audience.
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    Definitely should, you may totally fall in love with it. It does have a presence on the tarmac.
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    I dont consider myself a traditionalist. I consider myself a modernist. I am not looking for tradition here. I loved the design of the orig Discovery (series I and II), but I loved the redesign (LR3) way more even though it was missing the alpines of the D2, not because it looked little bit...
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    Sure. But here is how I personally look at things. For me its not about the sales for LR, rather I am purely interested in what it is that they are creating for me as a customer in the form of their products. Its more about what is it that I am getting for my $80k+. For that amount, am I...
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    Ok so once you raise the seat all the way up to its maximum height or as much you as you can without getting your head hitting the headliner, you are able to get some sense of that command driving position (CDP) if you are looking straight ahead and are able to see quite a bit of the...
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    Very interesting that your demand and requirements for the former, signature LR driving experience (command view driving position, stadium seating, etc) and functionality drove you to opt for a used vehicle, offering those traits, over a brand new one. And maybe thats one of the reasons why...
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    Just from my own personal experience of interaction with LR and from what I have gathered and known, LR, not LRNA or Tata, does actually care quite a bit. NA is a huge/major market for them all around. And from what I have heard, specially after D5, Tata has not been interfering with LR that...
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    Yeah I think i maybe sitting this one out too like I did with D5. Thats why I have un-daily'd mine to stretch out the trouble free duty duration and have only been using it for the purpose i bought it for. Waiting out to see how things go at LR and whats next.
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    Also, the D7x should have been the name for the improved/advanced version of IBF. And the IBF, an LR' own patented tech which is currently sitting on their shelf collecting dust, should have been thee platform for the new Defender, with the proper marketing talking about its merits and...
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    Wow, that says something. And certainly says something for the feedback to the new Defender as well which does not look that bad IMHO (thanks to going back to the idea of graceful/tasteful/minimalist design roots of LR), but sadly also is a good example of missing the mark on major and key...
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    LR4s out there holding their value maybe more than just quite well

    And then there is also the fact that there is no intentional built-in obsolescence in the design of LR3/4. A built-in obsolescence is a design practice to make the vehicle look outdated after two or three years of its introduction so you can be made to feel forced to want the next year model...

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