Driving LR3 in soft sand?

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Okay, let me clarify. In addition to DSC, there is also the Stablility Control System (SCS).

It is SCS that overides our turning off the DSC. Particularly in Sand mode, but each T.R. mode blends DSC, ABS, SCS, Traction Control, and HDC functions somewhat differently. Plus differing throttle responses, transmission gear selections, etc...
 
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Thanks for the info nwoods! I'll give it all a try and see what works best. I want to try to do the least possible to get up the hill. For example, I will just turn off DSC and see if I can get up the hill, if not I'll try mud mode, let air out, etc...
Is there any reason I should not just keep it in drive? What harm will that do or how does it help by putting it in 2nd or 3rd?
I think for example my infiniti will still "start" in 1st gear even though I manually select 3rd for example...
Also, can you explain center differential? I "think" that differential means that when on a lift one rear tire spins forward and one spins backward because it is not posi traction. So, if this thinking is correct, then wouldn't the front and rear axle have this? What is a "center" differential?
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when center diff is locked, the same amount of power will go to the front and rear wheels. nwoods, thanks for the new acronym. I didn't even know i had SCS ;)
 

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Hooknows, I grew up driving things too fast, and found that a manual transmission allowed me to drive fast with more control. For that reason, when I'm really driving her, I use the Command Shift feature of the LR3, particularly on downhills (engine braking) and on up hills for instant, no hesitation power delivery.

A bit of a "oh btw tip": When I was in Pismo (large SoCal sand dune), I aired my 40 PSI tires down to 20 PSI, and could barely make forward progress, and if I stopped, I sank and could not move forward again. When I aired down to 15psi, my tires floated on top of the sand and I never had any other mobility issues.

More than anything else, airing down will likely be your best bet in mastering that hill of yours.
 
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Just curious, when you are in 4WD high, I assume the center diff is not locked. What percentage of power goes to the front and back wheels then? I just always assumed it was split 50/50 at all times.
 

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hooknows said:
Just curious, when you are in 4WD high, I assume the center diff is not locked. What percentage of power goes to the front and back wheels then? I just always assumed it was split 50/50 at all times.
50/50 is true, in a perfect world. The clutches preload and shift the bias as needed based onsensor inputs. This could be anything from turning, going up/down hill, a high speed turn, anything that would chnge the load to the front or rear. The amount of loading is very minute in everyday circumstances. Now you did it, here comes way to much info:
GENERAL
The DD295 transfer box is a full time, permanent four-wheel-drive unit, with 50/50 torque distribution to the front and rear driveshafts. The unit is manufactured by Magna Steyr Powertrain in Graz, Austria and supports the following features:


Permanent four-wheel-drive with a bevel gear centre differential, providing a 50:50 torque split
Selectable high and low range for optimum on-road and off-road performance
Two-speed, fully synchronized 'shift-on-the-move' system allows the driver to change the range without having to stop the vehicle
Electronically controlled multi-plate clutch providing a centre differential lock and torque biasing function to give improved traction performance and vehicle dynamic stability.
A strategy, to electronically control the centre differential multi plate clutch assembly, has been developed to provide:


a pre-loading function, increasing locking torque with increased driving torque
a slip controller to increase locking torque under off-road conditions and decrease locking torque for optimum comfort, e.g. parking.
The unit is located under the vehicle and is mounted on the cross-member, behind the transmission. The unit is identical for all engine derivatives.

The transfer box receives a torque input from the transmission output shaft, which is passed through the unit to two outputs for the front and rear drive shafts.

The input torque is equally distributed via a bevel gear type differential. In order to provide an optimal torque distribution to each wheel in all driving conditions, the unit is equipped with an electronically controlled locking and torque-biasing device. This device detects wheel slip via various vehicle system inputs to the transfer box control module and locks the differential accordingly. The locking torque is applied through a multi-plate clutch assembly.

A planetary gear set, located in the differential assembly, allows the driver to select high or low range whilst driving, this is known as 'shift on the move'. When in low range, the planetary gear set provides a ratio of 2.93:1, which gives the vehicle an extremely low crawl speed for off road driving and trailer towing. High range is a direct drive from the transmission output shaft and provides a 1:1 ratio.

Both the centre differential locking and biasing and the 'shift on the move' features are actuated via a DC transfer box motor, which is controlled by the transfer box control module, via a Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) signal
 
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Dave, What I can extrapolate from your last post is that the torque is split 50/50 regardless of high or low gear. So that seems conflicting saying that you must put it in low to get a 50/50 split...But what seems incorrect to me is that it says it is a shift on the move system allowing to switch between high and low without stopping the vehicle. When I shift to low in my vehicle it makes me put it in neutral first....
 

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50/50 split just means there is not inherent loading one way or the other in the differntial w/o any external input. The different sensor inputs determine the loading the clutches place on the center diff to transfer power and effect the split.
You can do a running shift. Check for traffic first, Pop it in neutral while in motion, hit the switch. Once engaged, pull back into gear. If you are moving to fast, the car will not allow it.
 

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