Discussion in 'LR4' started by manoftaste, Oct 27, 2020.
G'day from Oz. Having just watched the latest TFL video as posted here by djkaosone, I can see what's going to happen. This new Defender has the potential to destroy the LR name in North America forever! For the price nobody is going to take a chance on something that appears to be questionable at best & downright unreliable at worst.
The new Defender hasn't been on the market here as long as in the U.S. I still haven't seen one on the road yet. But the 2021 model has now been released & already they've dropped the small diesels & brought in the 3.0lt six cylinder diesel instead - as should have been from the start!
Anybody doing pre-buy research on YouTube will drive straight past the LR dealer & head to the Jeep dealer instead.
I've just checked the available LR4's on the online market & there's nothing with low mileage available anywhere in Australia. My insurance company has just increased my "agreed value" on my 2014 LR4 TDV6. it's now close to the price I paid 6 years ago - and that's without all the gear I've put on in past 3 years. The current D5 barely sells here & only to families doing school runs - no offroading. Range Rovers are verrry expensive here & sell only a fraction compared to AMG GLS-63's. Only the small luxury Evoque sells o.k. numbers - but only to the Yuppy set in the major cities.
Every prospective LR Defender buyer should watch the TFL videos. It's good that America has much better
"Lemon" laws than we do.
I predict that LR will be sold off by Tata - probably bought by a Chinese company, maybe LDV or MG?
They cannot last long doing what they are currently. I reckon the end is nigh for a formerly great offroad
vehicle. I'm just so grateful to own my brilliant LR4 (D4 here) TDV6. As I've said here before; I'm keeping it as long as I can drive it.
I was curious what damage was actually done when the dealer tried to install the winch. Seems like if they cut into a harness, that is something that could easily be spliced, but maybe that's not proper per Land Rover protocol.
I hope the 4 cyl winds up being reliable as it would be the engine I'd want.
I’m not buying the TFL story about the loom cut rendering the vehicle useless. My guess is they didn’t want to tell TFL their error will result in additional delay OR they are worried about future problems. Or maybe they got a good offer on it and wanted to get TFL in the other one. Will be interesting to track the VIN of that one. My guess is it’s on the road in a month.
Well they did try to install the first winch that "did not work". 2nd winch ruined the wiring loom? Yeah sounds weird, they could be incompetent.
Here's Powerful UK installing the winch on their Defender. They mention the TFL wiring loom issue and try to figure out where the LR dealership went wrong.
What's most worrying is that they're not able to repair it (either the engine or the damaged loom). What's that going to mean for cars outside of warranty? Replacing entire engines or vehicles is not an option.
I really hope LR change their tune on the TFL incident soon, it's going to be an absolute PR disaster and the new Defender needs to be a real success for JLR to continue investing in that direction.
My guess is that Land Rover "repairs" from a Land Rover dealership, especially on a new vehicle, require a broken part to only repaired by replacing it with a brand new part, even if the "broken" part is a wiring loom that only needs a simple splice.
I think TFL said the dealership claimed a replacement part isn't available. So, that Defender will probably sit at the dealership until one is, and TFL gets their third Defender.
I thought that they said it was "irreplaceable", which led me to believe it was something super gnarly and complex that literally would all the way through the vehicle - maybe with fiber optics in it?
So crazy that they're on Defender #3, two months in.
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Can't really tell from the Powerful UK video what that would be. Looks like the looms up there have to do with the lights, the camera, and the radar. Unless the loom was further inside the vehicle where they were trying to connect a winch control or something.
But, if it's in the front, does this mean a minor fenderbender that breaks the loom will total a Defender? I find that hard to believe.
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