Old Skoole Technology - Buick/Rover V8

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meyersd

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For all you newbees curious about the histoy of your 4.0 liter V8. (Buicks 215 Cu. In.) Leaks are part of the package, so don't too crazy over them. Hopefully you are using the correct coolant too...:stupid:


At introduction, Buick's 215 was rated 150 hp (112 kW) at 4400 rpm. This was raised soon after introduction to 155 hp (116 kW) at 4600 rpm. 220 ft·lbf (298 N·m) of torque was produced at 2400 rpm with a Rochester 2GC two-barrel carburator and 8.8:1 compression ratio. A mid-year introduction was the Buick Special Skylark version, which had 10.25:1 compression and a four-barrel carburetor, raising output to 185 hp (138 kW) at 4800 rpm and 230 ft·lbf (312 N·m) at 2800 rpm.

For 1962 the four-barrel engine increased compression ratio to 11.0:1, raising it to 190 hp (142 kW) at 4800 rpm and 235 ft·lbf (319 N·m) at 3000 rpm. The two-barrel engine was unchanged. For 1963 the four-barrel was bumped to an even 200 hp (149 kW) at 5000 rpm and 240 ft·lbf (325 N·m) at 3200 rpm, a respectable 0.93 hp/in³ (56.6 hp/liter).

Unfortunately, the great expense of the aluminum engine led to its cancellation after the 1963 model year. The engine had an abnormally high scrap ratio due to hidden block-casting porosity problems, which caused serious oil leaks. Another problem was clogged radiators from antifreeze mixtures incompatible with aluminum. It was said that one of the major problems was because they had to make extensive use of air gaging to check for casting leaks during the manufacturing process, and not being able to detect leaks on blocks that were as much as 95% complete. This raised the cost of complete engines to more than that of a comparable all cast-iron engine. Casting sealing technology was not advanced enough at that time to prevent the high scrap rates.

Although dropped by GM in 1963, in January 1965 the tooling for the aluminum engine was sold to Britain's Rover Group to become the Rover V8 engine, which would remain in use for more than 35 years. GM tried to buy it back later on, but Rover declined, instead offering to sell engines back to GM. GM refused this offer.
 
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NHESS81

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Doh! Silly Rover group...first they buy horrible technology, then have the audacity to charge others for it! HAHA, greaaaat technology and fiscal responsibility!
 

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What about the crappy alloy GM used that caused corrosion in the cooling passages, bolts to pull from threads and warping problems if any amount of over heating occured. Fuel was a problem in the US back then and GM needed a small light weight motor in a short time, problem over with fuel and big motors were the thing so little aluminum motor was forgotten as well the higher casting costs. I'm going on 3 years with a bone dry 95 D1 4.6, a little care and the little aluminum motor returns good service without any leaks.

"horrible technology" What the hell you talking about?
A little motor that needed a little more attention to detail
during production but a great little motor if you
understand respect and build correctly.

......=o&o>......
 
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meyersd

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NHESS81 said:
Doh! Silly Rover group...first they buy horrible technology, then have the audacity to charge others for it! HAHA, greaaaat technology and fiscal responsibility!

The technology wasn't horrible, in fact it was kind of head of it's time. The only problem with the 4.0 V8 was there was not enough technology around in the mid 60's to correct the manufacturing problems. The idea was to product a lightweight V8 while reducing manufacturing costs. With all the problems the v8 had, it was costing GM the same amount to produce an aluminum engine as it did for a cast iron one. GM shelved, then later sold the engine because it wasn't coat effective. After they saw what Rover did to the engine, they wanted ot buy it back, but Rover instead wanted to maintain rights to the engine and sell GM engines. Obviously, GM wasn't with the arrangement, so they let it go. Rover has run this motor for 35 years, so obviously it's good. Not great, but good.
 
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joey said:
Might be old school, but this guy seems to make them sing nice and loud.

http://www
.aluminumv8.com/

Nothing wrong with old school. Sometimes you have to go back to it. New doesn't always mean better.
 

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