Just installed Cooper S/T Maxx tires on 18" BMW wheels

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hey wheel dorks (me included in that label) look what i found in some searching. 5 spoke 1400 kg rated, $218usd, not bad:

https://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/l.../wheels-and-tyres/?per_page=64&sort=price_asc

Did you mean these wheels (the link you posted is just to the main "products" page)?

https://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/l...ss-zu-land-rover-alloy-wheel-36mm-offset.html

They have 36mm offset, which means they would stick out 10mm more than the Compomotives (44mm offset), and 17mm more than the stock wheels (54mm), but still less than the LR3 wheels and a 30 mm spacer.

They also caution:

*Important - Zu rims will not fit any Range Rover L322 Supercharged or Range Rover Sport Supercharged fitted with Brembo brake calipers. Will only fit Discovery 4 with 2.7ltr engine

Was the 5.0 LR4 available in the UK, or are the 5.0 brake calipers the same size as the 2.7?
 

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I have a 2009 Range Rover vogue td?v8 typical tyre size 255/55 R 19, anyone know if I can it 20 “ tryes or the ones deceived in the post. In mud and snow find the tryes I have don’t really grip currently I use
Ultrac Vorti pattern in 111 Y XL.

I don't know much about that model, don't think it made its way to the states. If you are able to post a picture of the brake caliper and the brake rotor diamater I may be able to provide some information as to whether the BMW wheels I used would fit.

I think that 20s would be easy as you'd have no issues with caliper clearance. The reason I went to a smaller wheel was to get a bit more tire sidewall which is helpful off road and generally improved tire load capacity.
 

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Are you intentionally ignoring the relevant bits to continue to argue?


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more LOL for you then. What is relevant about the vehicle weight? you mentioning that is laughable. Do you have any clue what an expedition prepped vehicle weighs...? The gvwr is for lawyers and care to be taken. This is not the same comparison as the tire design topic.

To give you a more comparable metaphor, a basic XL tire is like trying to take an Evoque on a rough trail. The LR3/4 already is the E load range tire equivalent. Thus marrying the two items makes sense. XL tires are fine for forest roads where a Subaru could go and only under factory weight vehicles.
 

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Did you mean these wheels (the link you posted is just to the main "products" page)?

https://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/l...ss-zu-land-rover-alloy-wheel-36mm-offset.html

They have 36mm offset, which means they would stick out 10mm more than the Compomotives (44mm offset), and 17mm more than the stock wheels (54mm), but still less than the LR3 wheels and a 30 mm spacer.

They also caution:



Was the 5.0 LR4 available in the UK, or are the 5.0 brake calipers the same size as the 2.7?

Yes i did see that note about lr4 brakes. I forgot this was an lr4 thread and yes, the v8 get bigger brake rotors both in US and Europe. I didn't notice the offset though. Seems like the compo is still the best choice or the ones at mudtech which seemed similarly snug. I was amazed actually with the compomotive offset because it's perfect, just enough to do the job and minimize the associated rubbing increased by wider offset.

Today was the day the km2's came off and the basic winter travel michelin winter ms2 went on. Dang it's like a magic carpet ride by comparison! 34" vs 32" and silky smooth and quite highway tread pattern vs knuckles on the wall and 10 lbs more weight flying around.
 

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36mm offset, which means they would stick out 10mm more than the Compomotives (44mm offset), and 17mm more than the stock wheels (54mm), but still less than the LR3 wheels and a 30 mm spacer.

also, your math got weird... ;) 44-36= 8mm more than compo. 54-36=18 more than factory. there are also 25mm spacers which are just 7mm more than those wheels but yes, they are probably a bit of a let down for people trying larger tires.

I'm really liking the idea of the darn mudtechs, maybe if the markets rebound i can justify it!
 

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more LOL for you then. What is relevant about the vehicle weight? you mentioning that is laughable. Do you have any clue what an expedition prepped vehicle weighs...? The gvwr is for lawyers and care to be taken. This is not the same comparison as the tire design topic.

To give you a more comparable metaphor, a basic XL tire is like trying to take an Evoque on a rough trail. The LR3/4 already is the E load range tire equivalent. Thus marrying the two items makes sense. XL tires are fine for forest roads where a Subaru could go and only under factory weight vehicles.
Again you take this in the opposite direction my comments were intended. Not everyone uses their vehicle in the way YOU do. No one else was talking about expedition vehicles...


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Again you take this in the opposite direction my comments were intended. Not everyone uses their vehicle in the way YOU do. No one else was talking about expedition vehicles...


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I think the larger point here, though, is that you are in the LR4 section. For anyone to just have an E-rated tire as an *option* in an LR4, they are required to get 18" wheels. To do that, they must figure out what wheel they are going to use to clear the LR4's larger brake calipers. At present, those are; Compomotive or Mudtech without modification (but around $2100 delivered); LR3 wheels with a 30mm spacer (or 25mm spacer and some caliper grinding) (around $600 to $700 all-in); or maybe these BMW wheels and some caliper grinding (price varies).

If an LR4 owner is going to go through all that expense or work, it would be strange to *not* get an E-rated tire. Otherwise, they could just stick with their stock 19" or 20" wheels and get the tires available for them.
 

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I think the larger point here, though, is that you are in the LR4 section. For anyone to just have an E-rated tire as an *option* in an LR4, they are required to get 18" wheels. To do that, they must figure out what wheel they are going to use to clear the LR4's larger brake calipers. At present, those are; Compomotive or Mudtech without modification (but around $2100 delivered); LR3 wheels with a 30mm spacer (or 25mm spacer and some caliper grinding) (around $600 to $700 all-in); or maybe these BMW wheels and some caliper grinding (price varies).

If an LR4 owner is going to go through all that expense or work, it would be strange to *not* get an E-rated tire. Otherwise, they could just stick with their stock 19" or 20" wheels and get the tires available for them.
**-lee crap. Do you really read any of my previous posts? I never said the OP, or anyone for that matter, shouldn’t get E rated tires. I never said I don’t have e rated tires, I do. I have the same tires the OP has, which is why I even read this thread in the LR4 section in the first place. The problem I had was that the OP was getting grief for putting on wheels that *may* not be the same load rating as factory wheels. It was obvious he put some thought into his decision and determined, FOR HIS PURPOSES, they were sufficient. The reason I added my first post was to tell him I have the same tires (love them), tell him that I went through the same thought process for 17” BMW wheels, agreed with his assessment about the wheels and to say that some people will tell you you’re wrong (and you’re an idiot) if you don’t build your vehicle the same way they do. End of E rated tire discussion.


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**-lee crap. Do you really read any of my previous posts? I never said the OP, or anyone for that matter, shouldn’t get E rated tires. I never said I don’t have e rated tires, I do. I have the same tires the OP has, which is why I even read this thread in the LR4 section in the first place. The problem I had was that the OP was getting grief for putting on wheels that *may* not be the same load rating as factory wheels. It was obvious he put some thought into his decision and determined, FOR HIS PURPOSES, they were sufficient. The reason I added my first post was to tell him I have the same tires (love them), tell him that I went through the same thought process for 17” BMW wheels, agreed with his assessment about the wheels and to say that some people will tell you you’re wrong (and you’re an idiot) if you don’t build your vehicle the same way they do. End of E rated tire discussion.


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Well, genius, the point you are missing is that it would be strange to go through all the effort of putting 18" wheels and tires on an LR4 and not envision off-road travel (as well as putting various additional heavy things on the vehicle), which pretty much negates the entire point you think you are making.
 

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Well, genius, the point you are missing is that it would be strange to go through all the effort of putting 18" wheels and tires on an LR4 and not envision off-road travel (as well as putting various additional heavy things on the vehicle), which pretty much negates the entire point you think you are making.
My point had nothing to do with the load rating of tires. It had to do with people overreacting and name calling if you choose to do something different than they have done. I don’t get why your hung up on this, it’s not hard.


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