Well thanks for keeping me in check roverman. No **** its not a mud tire and since its not a mud tire, 'deep' doesnt mean 4 feet of mud. I'll be more specific next time. How about 8-12 inches of soft mud. 'Did great' means I got thorugh it no problem. It should be clear to anyone that can see the ATR's aren't as agressive as the MT/R's. I guess I'll have to dumb it down around here