LR4 5.0 Chain Guides actual problem?

[mpinco]

For those of us with GDI engines should we be moving to ILSAC GF-6A spec oil?

Example: https://www.amsoil.com/p/oe-0w-20-synthetic-motor-oil-oez/

 

[wallyyfm]

I have a question regarding oil level.

So I have a 2013 I picked up in 2015 with about 42k on it. I don’t drive it a lot but when I do I take it on ridiculous excursions such as Death Valley and camp in it for weeks at a time, so it has seen some harsh use. It has maybe 55k on it now after 5 years of ownership. That said I love this vehicle and would probably never get rid of it. I do my own oil with a mighty vac every other change. I had a dealer do the last at about 5k and now I’ll do mine. This way I save a little since it’s such an easy oil change but also when the dealer does it they pull the pan bolt and get the sludge. Either way about 5-6k between changes with Castrol recommended 5w 20.

I recently moved back to the east coast and have an incline driveway. One day with the engine facing up incline I started the truck and heard what did actually sound like that timing chain slap. But it was cold out and it eventually went away say after 30 seconds. Then I realized that due to the incline I just do not think that the oil gets to the front of the motor on ignition where the guides are.

To test this I parked it flat and never heard the sound again. I also park it with the motor facing down the incline and never heard it again.

Any thoughts? I feel like I would eventually get a camshaft position sensor error if this thing was going to jump teeth. But to be honest I haven’t had any problems and I don’t hear this sound since I have not parked it up and incline.

 

[Quijote]

That sounds odd. On a vehicle like an LR4 I'd be surprised if the lubricating system was not designed to handle inclines. Could the oil pump be faulty?

 

[Cthehentz]

Or just typical cold startup on incline although mine has never done that even before timing updates. I would assume low oil or improper viscosity.

 

[wallyyfm]

The levels have always been ok on the cluster. That said I did do a lot of towing cross country, was ******* the trans for sure through the mountains last summer. Might have eaten some oil.

I will do a change and park it on an incline nose up to see if I hear it again. If anything yes I thought it was low oil but I don’t totally trust that digital dipstick.

 

[ktm525]

Sounds weird. The LR4 has a bigger sump than the Jag equivalents to handle more extreme angles.

 

[Quijote]

Sounds weird. The LR4 has a bigger sump than the Jag equivalents to handle more extreme angles.

That's what I mean. That makes sense.

 

[gvpilot]

Thanks for the reply, hickersb.

I'm not so much concerned with the resolution to the case, but whether Jaguar has resolved the timing chain/tensioner issue. Having owned the 13 XKR I know what a fabulous engine that is and would like to be able to consider a later 5.0L Gen III car, but I'm not about to take a chance on an engine failure or even the expense of having the chains replaced. I love my Jaguars, but I've had to go round and round with them before on repairs for known issues. This is a known issue, 2 re-designs and I think they need to come clean or at least let their customers know they've resolved the issue. They definitely are not customer/enthusiast centric. They seem to cater to the first buyer. After that you're on your own.
My opinion and experience..........

 

[gvpilot]

For those of us with GDI engines should we be moving to ILSAC GF-6A spec oil?

Example: https://www.amsoil.com/p/oe-0w-20-synthetic-motor-oil-oez/

At that price, I'd say that's their least expensive oil. If I were you, I would look up your particular vehicle and see if there is a recommendation. There was no recommendation by Amsoil at that time. However, I just checked and they now have this recommendation. https://www.amsoil.com/lookup/auto-...0l-8-cyl-engine-code-dohc-d/?volume=us-volume
Signature Series is Amsoil's best and I would and do, go with their recommendations. It is in all my cars and I've used Amsoil since about 1975.

 

[ktm525]

I have a question regarding oil level.

So I have a 2013 I picked up in 2015 with about 42k on it. I don’t drive it a lot but when I do I take it on ridiculous excursions such as Death Valley and camp in it for weeks at a time, so it has seen some harsh use. It has maybe 55k on it now after 5 years of ownership. That said I love this vehicle and would probably never get rid of it. I do my own oil with a mighty vac every other change. I had a dealer do the last at about 5k and now I’ll do mine. This way I save a little since it’s such an easy oil change but also when the dealer does it they pull the pan bolt and get the sludge. Either way about 5-6k between changes with Castrol recommended 5w 20.

I recently moved back to the east coast and have an incline driveway. One day with the engine facing up incline I started the truck and heard what did actually sound like that timing chain slap. But it was cold out and it eventually went away say after 30 seconds. Then I realized that due to the incline I just do not think that the oil gets to the front of the motor on ignition where the guides are.

To test this I parked it flat and never heard the sound again. I also park it with the motor facing down the incline and never heard it again.

Any thoughts? I feel like I would eventually get a camshaft position sensor error if this thing was going to jump teeth. But to be honest I haven’t had any problems and I don’t hear this sound since I have not parked it up and incline.

You do know that most if not all dealers use a vac system to change the oil. Have they been charging you for drain plugs and washers?