Ipod Interface Through Nav-Tv

[lacarruk1]

Not much of an award, especially if they didn't show anything.

FYI: Alpine had a MOST interface "sample" on display for iPod at CES *last* year.

Also, Dension announced working on MOST based vehicles recently... but isn't targeting Land Rover:

DENSION DEBUTS IPOD INTEGRATION TO “MOST” FIBRE OPTIC VEHICLES – AN INDUSTRY FIRST!

Signal Hill, CA., Jan. 6, 2006 —Visitors to this year’s CES (Jan 6-9 in Las Vegas,NV) and Macworld Expo (Jan 11-14 in San Francisco, CA) events will see Dension Audio Systems’ innovative integration of the Apple iPod to the “MOST” fibre optic vehicle infotainment platform.

MOST is an industry standard supported by major vehicle manufacturers including Mercedes-Benz / DaimlerChrysler, BMW, Volkswagen/Audi Group and selected vehicles in Ford’s Premier Automotive Group. The standard provides for the connection of vehicle entertainment, information and navigation components by a fibre optic ring. Until now, the addition of third party or aftermarket products to vehicles equipped with this ring has been virtually impossible.

If it is a MOST interface, does that mean it will be thru stereo screen or Navugation screen if it even works....

 

[Matt_Grim2]

It will be through the Navigation Screen...

 

[lacarruk1]

It will be through the Navigation Screen...

Matt - NAV-TV tells me you do not need to buy that $2200 part you bought unless you want to watch DVD's & TV thru your nav screen. They say the iPod and Sirius adapters will not need that unit.

Also - When are you going to post pictures???

 

[grommet]

"MOST" is just an interface... even without the Navigation system, your vehicle still has a MOST bus. (FYI: MOST isn't used to pass video at all in Land Rover's implementation.) It isn't magic.

Regarding "it will be through the Navigation Screen"... we'll see. But think about it: Navigation is optional in LR3... in fact, I'd say there are more LR3/Discovery 3s on the road without Navigation. They'd be dumb to make it a requirement and limit their customer base. Factory Sirius doesn't require it... why should this?

Nothing on LR3 depends on the Touchscreen other than Navigation and 4x4 Info.

 

[roverdawg]

A tech that I talked to at the dealer said that beginning with the all-new 2009 Range Rover, they were going to a hard drive based Nav system that would also allow for storage of music, etc. He also thought that the NAV would be able to download weather Doppler information (overlay for the navigation screen) for an additional fee. I'm a bit skeptical, but I suppose that's where the after-market stuff is eventually headed esp. via Sirius/XM who will probably push videos to the rear seats. Hard to justify dropping $2200+ on a NavTV "solution" now when there may be a hard-drive system available in 12 months from some after-market supplier who cracks the MOST system? Why pay separately to install a dvd player, Ipod interface, cd, etc when you can dump everything into a hard drive... I know a guy that has a 95 Disco. His solution? An Archos AV 700 (mobile touch screen dvr player) which sits on his dash plays all his music and movies and even has a camera lens that he's stuck out his rear door. Brilliant.

 

[w6000]

A tech that I talked to at the dealer said that beginning with the all-new 2009 Range Rover, they were going to a hard drive based Nav system that would also allow for storage of music, etc. He also thought that the NAV would be able to download weather Doppler information (overlay for the navigation screen) for an additional fee. I'm a bit skeptical, but I suppose that's where the after-market stuff is eventually headed esp. via Sirius/XM who will probably push videos to the rear seats. Hard to justify dropping $2200+ on a NavTV "solution" now when there may be a hard-drive system available in 12 months from some after-market supplier who cracks the MOST system? Why pay separately to install a dvd player, Ipod interface, cd, etc when you can dump everything into a hard drive... I know a guy that has a 95 Disco. His solution? An Archos AV 700 (mobile touch screen dvr player) which sits on his dash plays all his music and movies and even has a camera lens that he's stuck out his rear door. Brilliant.

People have already put apple mini macs in their LR3's. You would still have to install a DVD player in your car because you would have to have a way to get the movies to the hard drive.

 

[schafari]

If I am not mistaken, I believe the MOST interface is only on the HSE with the premium sound system. I believe the other trim levels do not have the MOST (optical) system.

 

[grommet]

schafari, you are mistaken. The MOST bus in LR3 lets the following talk to each other: Instrument cluster, stereo head unit, H/K Amplifier (or H/K Logic 7 Amplifier on the "Premium" stereo), Touchscreen (if equipped), Traffic Message Channel [TMC] module (if equipped, overseas only), etc. This is also where Nav-TV's video/audio input hack (which looks like a TV tuner to the infotainment system) plugs into.

 

[schafari]

Well Grommet, according to the LR3 Factory Service Manual: "The audio systems has two levels of head unit. A low line and high line unit. The low line unit system is based around a head unit which communicates on the medium speed CAN (controller area network) bus, while the high line system is based around an Integrated Head Unit (IHU) which communicates on the Media Orientated System Transport (MOST) ring and the medium speed CAN bus."

That is a direct quote from the service manual. It appears from the factory service manuals and wiring diagrams, that the MOST bus is only used for the HSE audio but not the other "low line" audio.

I am not sure of the other components using the optical bus, but I am quite sure it is not used for the non-HSE audio. I should have phrased it better in my original post.

 

[toddjb122]

A tech that I talked to at the dealer said that beginning with the all-new 2009 Range Rover, they were going to a hard drive based Nav system that would also allow for storage of music, etc. He also thought that the NAV would be able to download weather Doppler information (overlay for the navigation screen) for an additional fee. ...

Nice! I'm sure the service fees will be steep, but it'd be pretty cool to have real time traffic and weather integrated with the NAV! Heck, I've often wish they would have downloaded the google maps stereo images as options on the NAV screen. Sometimes its easier to picture a location if you can tell if its urban or rural on the map....

...there is so much they could easily do with that NAV screen that for some reason they didn't. Guess in the rush to get the vehicle out, extra features like integrated mobile phones (caller ID on the NAV would have been nice!) get left out. Heck, I work in Engineering and unfortunately extra GUI features, like a useful "help" screen, are often left out in a rush to ship the specifications.