LR4 Rust
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mbw
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remember folks... don't feed the trolls.
Ah, got it. You think I am a 'troll' for some other manufacturer? Nope, just a pretty standard LR owner ****** off with the general crappy quality of Land Rovers - and being a Brit I am ashamed.
Curiously there is only ONE mention of this type of corrosion in this forum (http://www.landroverworld.org/threa...change-not-available.22572/page-2#post-124007) so people must be living in Never-Never land or something.
The effects of this type of corrosion are threefold.
1) Aluminium bits or connections too them (like on Defender door hinges or Disco roofracks) show a whitish powder.
2) Parts will rust for no reason. I had a rear bumper treated 20 times but the same area would always rust
3) Rust is not uniform. Since this is basically electric in origin, you can't see the electric lines of least resistance so you could have a hood where there are two or three or more small patches of rust for no reason and you can't fix them.
If owners woke up and complained more we might get better QA from LR but most people get fobbed off by ignorant garage mechanics. ANd of course there is a reason why other manufacturers don't go the mixed metal route.
Curiously there is only ONE mention of this type of corrosion in this forum (http://www.landroverworld.org/threa...change-not-available.22572/page-2#post-124007) so people must be living in Never-Never land or something.
The effects of this type of corrosion are threefold.
1) Aluminium bits or connections too them (like on Defender door hinges or Disco roofracks) show a whitish powder.
2) Parts will rust for no reason. I had a rear bumper treated 20 times but the same area would always rust
3) Rust is not uniform. Since this is basically electric in origin, you can't see the electric lines of least resistance so you could have a hood where there are two or three or more small patches of rust for no reason and you can't fix them.
If owners woke up and complained more we might get better QA from LR but most people get fobbed off by ignorant garage mechanics. ANd of course there is a reason why other manufacturers don't go the mixed metal route.
pabs406
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I have rust forming on all 4 brake calipers. My warranty won't cover it because it is considered "cosmetic". Go figure.
Quijote
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Well, as I mentioned, my rust areas are steel parts of the frame/chassis. I can't see few (any?) aluminum components having any galvanic effect. It's very annoying and highly disappointing, but I like the car too much to sell it over it. The painted surfaces are flawless and the car looks like new in & out. If it ends up being a truly noticeable cosmetic/body issue I might consider it, but it's encouraging to see many very old LR3's doing "fine."
I wouldn't worry about brake calipers since they are great lumps of solid metal you can change if you want. Body panels and chassis are the killer.
I had the same excuse from LR and they eventually sent some expert from Paris to check the car over. The final report was 'cosmetic' even though there was rust on every panel and all over the chassis. They did offer to repair it as long as I paid half - now that's what I call customer service...not
I had the same excuse from LR and they eventually sent some expert from Paris to check the car over. The final report was 'cosmetic' even though there was rust on every panel and all over the chassis. They did offer to repair it as long as I paid half - now that's what I call customer service...not
Leaving WWII out of the discussion, vehicle manufacturers are slowly moving to aluminum. Today many are hybrids of steel and aluminum.
Rust is a result of exterior factors like salt, magnesium chloride, sand/gravel and humidity. First we start with a nice sandblast followed with an application of chemicals ......
There is a reason I don't buy vehicles that are from East of Colby/Salina, KS.
Rust is a result of exterior factors..
Not in the case of bimetallic corrosion.
As for the growth in aluminium use in the industry, it is indeed growing but is likely to come to a dead stop since other materials are even better. If SpaceX can build a rocket using composites and planes use composites, aluminium is dead except for specialised use. I suppose the manufacturers using aluminium don^t have the QA and, frankly, attitude, problems of LR. I mean who else would use a body strip to connect two panels (aluminium) on the Defender which was too short and then weld a bit to each end. YOu will not see one which is NOT rusted and the reason they did it was simply because they had a large stock of the shorter ones. If you get an LR which has not started rusting, fine - it will last forever. If you get one that has...
The worst is the corporate denial of the problem which has filtered down to the dealerships. I bought my first Disco in the UK and exported it. The French head office told me it was not their problem under guarantee. It is endemic.
LR is changing and for the better since the Indians took over but the culture runs deeps. They still have major marketing problems. Which other 4x4 manufacturer would make descent control an OPTION you pay for (as they did with the first Freelander)? Which other would come out with three identical cars and tr to fool people they are different in practice (Discover, Ranger Rover, Discovery Sport and Evoque)? Which other would **** the golden goose (the Defender) and have NO other replacement - thereby giving the entire market to Toyota and others. All farmers wanted was a Defender with a better drive train (ie the one from the Disco and RR). Instead the wallies from LR rumour something better fitted to footballers wives..
Not in the case of bimetallic corrosion.
As for the growth in aluminium use in the industry, it is indeed growing but is likely to come to a dead stop since other materials are even better. If SpaceX can build a rocket using composites and planes use composites, aluminium is dead except for specialised use. I suppose the manufacturers using aluminium don^t have the QA and, frankly, attitude, problems of LR. I mean who else would use a body strip to connect two panels (aluminium) on the Defender which was too short and then weld a bit to each end. YOu will not see one which is NOT rusted and the reason they did it was simply because they had a large stock of the shorter ones. If you get an LR which has not started rusting, fine - it will last forever. If you get one that has...
The worst is the corporate denial of the problem which has filtered down to the dealerships. I bought my first Disco in the UK and exported it. The French head office told me it was not their problem under guarantee. It is endemic.
LR is changing and for the better since the Indians took over but the culture runs deeps. They still have major marketing problems. Which other 4x4 manufacturer would make descent control an OPTION you pay for (as they did with the first Freelander)? Which other would come out with three identical cars and tr to fool people they are different in practice (Discover, Ranger Rover, Discovery Sport and Evoque)? Which other would **** the golden goose (the Defender) and have NO other replacement - thereby giving the entire market to Toyota and others. All farmers wanted was a Defender with a better drive train (ie the one from the Disco and RR). Instead the wallies from LR rumour something better fitted to footballers wives..
Perhaps composites in the distant future, but no company has been able to mass produce composite chassis in volume. BMW has come the closest with the i3, but even that has had its issues and still is not cost effective. They remain in the realm of specialty applications (high end cars and specific components) for the foreseeable future.
