All Weather or Snow Tires ?

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  1. JARentDTOM

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    I just put on the Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 255/15/19. They are a 111H instead of 111V, but I don’t plan on running these above 130mph. I usually keep it around 110mph off-trail. They are all weather, but have the winter rating as well.

    They seem to have some nice grip, and for a 19” look pretty tough. I’ll let you all know how they do.

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    Yup, great when new but the lr3 independent suspension should kill the inside edge long before the whole tire is done. I switched to symmetrical directional tires for my BMW winters and the Audi so that after 2-3 seasons I'll have them flipped for nearly 30% more total mileage/life. The Audi and BMW are way worse on the rear camber but the lr3 will do it as well.
     
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    In actual "snow", the Nokian All-weather tires are fantastic like you experienced. It's on frozen hard surfaces (obviously also during much colder temps) where their true winter tires pull ahead. I used full life of the Nokian WRG2 on an Audi S4 avant and during deep snow they were insanely good. The Hakka R2 however are even better when it's super cold and icier conditions.
     
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    Lazy/quick response on my part. I agree 100% with the above. How was your overall tire life with the WRG? Mine wasn’t great...
    I just ordered Conti VikingContacts for this winter after many years of Nokian. Love my Hakkas, but trying something different based on some Norwegian tire test that had these on top. Let’s see...


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    It's hard to judge the Nokian WRG2 due to it only having been used on the Audi which has a several case of inside edge wear on the rear and even a decent amount on the front.

    However, they went on one fall I think in 2009 after having worn through the factory high performance contis on a trip from WA to NC and back which included a NASA track day at VIR ull course.

    Ok, got distracted there ;) awesome road trip!

    At about 50% wear I bought a 2nd set of wheels for new Pirelli Sotozero 240 and the WRG2 then lasted a few more years easily but mileage seemed long enough that I didn't feel it was too short. Now the Audi has Bridgestone 970 all season high performance for summer and I had found a set of closeout WRG2 like 2 years ago, maybe 4 LOL and stored them inside.

    You'd think the R2 would wear faster but on the heavier BMW 535xi mt6 they are now maybe going into 3rd winter and seem hardly worn even though it is the primary winter car for ski trips which are usually a 500 mile weekend.

    I REALLY should keep a detailed log book of which car with which tires mileage on/off etc.
     
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    For the LR3 I should also mention that I mostly use a non-studded Michelin E load range MS2 in the winter version and it's been fine. It's basically the tire before the newer Defender I think or similar. It looks identical to the normal M/S 2 but is softer compound. These are both in the 32" size 275/65-18 which is an interestingly larger than average tire of those numbers. It is taller and wider than a same sized BFG Ko2.
     
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    30 inch OD Toyo Celsius CUV (Cute Utility Vehicle) tyres P235/65R18

    For the past ten years or so, I have had summer tyres on my 19" rims and snow tyres on my 18" rims.

    Getting older, I got tired of the twice a year changeover so I purchased "All Weather" tires of the 235/65R18 size.

    This will be the first winter on them, but up here, we seem to get more ice than snow, but I think they will be OK. My Firestone dealer recommend the Toyo Cute Utility Vehicle tyres - guess he gets a good deal on them as they cost more than any alternatives I had in mind. Also maybe naming a tyre Cute may not be the best marketing ploy, hence they may have been some desperation and being an astute dealer of many years, he also recognized a "mark".

    At any rate, the tyres are quiet in summer and yes, we now have ice on the streets that seems to be here for good, and traction seems OK. I would purchase the CUVs again.

    Regardless of what you put on for one size fits all, I would recommend 18" rims and the 235/65 profile: I think narrow and lots of rubber between the potholes and the rim works best, both summer and winter.
     

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    Those are 104 load range, why not choose the 265/60/18 ones at 110 load range?

    Oh, nevermind, I see you wanted narrower on purpose....
     
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    Your concern is correct as the tyres really should be the XL load range. I did have that in my previous 18" Pirelli Ice and Snow in the 235/65 R18 XL 110H size so the question is valid.

    About all I can say is that this time I wanted All Weather; my 3 is a grocery getter so rarely gets much of a load; bought it to stay on the road - you have to pay me to go off road - and so far, my 3 has kept me on the road, such as they are here in my village and the surrounding areas. As such, narrow and tall rubber is what I think works best here.

    We tend to do potholes where we have pavement and what I call corduroy where pavement is still a work in progress - and that is to get to the grocery store.

    I also note that the new LR Defender has 18" wheels available - steel even, which many think have advantages over cast for less than perfect driving conditions. I think the rubber might even be 32" OD on the Defender now.
     
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    I know we're talking about different uses and vehicles but my Nokian studded LT2 are E load range LOL 245/75-17
     

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