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I will be retiring my LR4 later this year. I'll be trading it in for a new Defender to go along with our Discovery 5. Will definitely miss the LR4 when the time comes, but where the LR4 adventure ends, the new Defender adventure begins.

the D5 is a great car, my dad owns one and I’ve driven it a bit and it’s like a whole new car and driving experience. It’s very capable off road and if the right tires are and with the right driving equipment it’s probably a little bit more capable off road with Land Rovers new Terrain Response system. My only complaints with the car is the down grade from the V8 and the plastic vast amount of plastic used with the car when paying nearly 80k at top spec. Still the plastic is there from durability because it’s a rugged ol disco but it feels cheap. Other then that the disco is a spectacular car and I can’t wait to drive the defender.
 
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Exactly! Very well said. The LR4s need the maintenance and do well with people who are diligent and know about the vehicle. As I said in my previous post, I miss my LR4 a lot - it was truly a special vehicle. I likely could have kept it and got a different vehicle, but I was trying to simplify my life a bit.
Exactly! Very well said. The LR4s need the maintenance and do well with people who are diligent and know about the vehicle. As I said in my previous post, I miss my LR4 a lot - it was truly a special vehicle. I likely could have kept it and got a different vehicle, but I was trying to simplify my life a bit.

yes 100% agree and think you made a good decision with the land cruiser. If I could ask what made you pull the plug completely off the LR4 and the Land Rover brand in general and switch to the Land Cruiser
 

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yes 100% agree and think you made a good decision with the land cruiser. If I could ask what made you pull the plug completely off the LR4 and the Land Rover brand in general and switch to the Land Cruiser

The #1 reason was reliability. I test drove about 4 different vehicles and I loved the old school feel of the Land Cruiser, combine that with the iconic heritage, extremely comfortable ride, aftermarket support, relative ease of maintenance and DIY work, it just felt like it was time to make the switch. It’s definitely not for everyone and I never feel as “special” as I did driving the LR4, but those memories will always be with me and make me smile. My buddy who bought it is keeping its legacy alive and I love seeing him continue to cherish it and appreciate it. Sometimes I feel like maybe I gave up, but I do not regret my decision at all.
 

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You have a link to any posts about your Land Cruiser?

I've owned 5 Land Cruisers over the years (one FJ60, two FJ40s, an FJ80, and an LX470) so am partial to the marque, but the 200 series never did anything for me until they did the facelift in '16. Now, it's an option for me when it's time to move on from the LR4.

I just found this post on here written by my friend Dan. He did an amazing write up and really used his LR4 on and off the road. Take a look here:

https://www.landroverworld.org/threads/lr4-vs-lc-after-18-months-w-the-lc.29771/
 

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the D5 is a great car, my dad owns one and I’ve driven it a bit and it’s like a whole new car and driving experience. It’s very capable off road and if the right tires are and with the right driving equipment it’s probably a little bit more capable off road with Land Rovers new Terrain Response system. My only complaints with the car is the down grade from the V8 and the plastic vast amount of plastic used with the car when paying nearly 80k at top spec. Still the plastic is there from durability because it’s a rugged ol disco but it feels cheap. Other then that the disco is a spectacular car and I can’t wait to drive the defender.

I was probably a bit too harsh on the Disco in my last couple of responses, likely because we’ve been having so much trouble with it I’m becoming a grouch. :) I do agree with you in many ways, it is a nicely appointed vehicle inside, even with the plastics, I like the interior - but we’ve had a lot of creaking and squeaking issues, then again I think that’s not uncommon with Land Rovers. My LR4 wasn’t bad, but it had some of it. I’ve had every model in Land Rover’s line up and the LR4 is my favorite, but I also do like the full-sized Range Rover.

Did you notice a weird lag when you accelerate, almost like it takes a moment for the supercharger to kick in? We’ve had this lag problem for a while and several folks have said it’s a computer software issue that they are working on to find a fix. Aside from that, it does drive really nice. I just hope we can keep it out of the shop for more than a month - it’s been a lot of mechanical and electrical problems. We were close to having them lemon law it.
 

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The Discovery 5 acceleration lag has been fixed with a software update, according to the D5 forum members. Take it to the dealership.
 

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You are very welcome! I have lots and lots of thoughts about LC200 vs. LR4, but it all boils down to what you need in a vehicle and how you intend to use it in regards to the type of transportation you need, number of people/pets/gear/whatever you transfer, the importance of a "name", adventure rig needs, off-road rig needs, importance of reliability/durability, etc. etc.

I have owned a 2011 and 2013 LR4, so they had the 5.0 V8 engine, and I heavily modified my 2013 (as you have seen) including wheels/tires, armor, front and rear steel bumpers, tire carrier, winch, etc. I loved my LR3 and it was a big decision to sell it last year, but my needs changed and I needed to consider a different vehicle (for a variety of reasons).

I wish I had a magic comparison for you, but they are very similar and very different vehicles all in one. :) First, I will address your questions... size. You are right, the LC200 is quite a bit bigger than the LR4, so that is a matter of preference and need, as well as how you intend to use it. To be honest, both of them are in similar in the fact that I really don't understand taking either of these vehicles on extremely technical, tight trails. In thinking about some of the trails in the northeast or down south that are tight, lots of rocks, full of mud, while you can push either one to do some amazing things, I always felt as though if I wanted a crazy off-roader, I'd get something like a Jeep Wrangler. I know folks may disagree with me, but I feel strongly that the LR4 and LC200 have a strong place in the overland world and more light/moderate open trails. The LR4 is not a tiny vehicle and some of the tight New England trails I have seen it does fine, but you need to be prepared to thrash it up. My buddy wheeled the living heck out of his LR3, but to get more serious he moved to an older Jeep that he built up for those smaller, more technical trails. So, in that sense, and in my humble opinion, the trails that make sense for the LR4 likely also work with the LC200. I did a LOT of off-roading in my LR4, but I never had this idea it was a crazy off-roading rock climber or twisted tiny trails. The beauty of the LR4 is in the comfort and capability, so it works so nicely on more of an open trail - same with LC200. Sorry for the long-winded discussion about size, but when it comes to off-roading and overlanding, I think they are the same beast as far as size, with the LR4 having an advantage being more narrow/short wheel base. But, in mind, it's not that important considering how I see both of these vehicles. More importantly, the size issue comes up with your own needs for a vehicle.

Both the LR4 and LC200 have permanent 4WD and I honestly think both of them are EXTREMELY capable in their stock form with 2-speed transfer case (at least standard up to 2013, then Land Rover commercially went toward only offering it in an HD package for the LR4 - always standard in the LC200). The terrain response in both vehicles is amazing, so impressive, and basically lets you just point in drive with the same modes. The LC200 offers a standard manually locking differential (you push a button) and the LR4 had an auto-locker in the HD package only up to 2013 and afterward. The LC200 also has a few additional off-road goodies that the LR4 does not have. So, the 4WD systems and off-road capabilities are similar in both, especially if you have an LR4 with a locking differential.

I actually HATED the air suspension on the LR4, which is one of the biggest headaches folks face sometimes and all of this talk about lifting, etc., I just grew tired of having some suspension issues and the risk of getting an EAS failure on a trip and planning the emergency air-up system, etc. I liked the ride of the air on the road, but I love having coils, so much easier to do everything and one big potential issue gone if you are doing a remote trip or the like.

Reliability is the single most distinguishing factor between the LC200 and the LR4. The 5.0 V8 on the LR4, according to various Land Rover techs I know well, is one of the most reliabile engines to date for the US. If you maintain the LR4 religiously, know what you are doing and what to look for, it's a pretty reliable vehicle. There are quirks and issues that are known, some can be very major, and other people have had no problem. Personally, I wanted something more reliable and durable. I don't care what any Land Rover guy says, the LC200 is rock solid and ridiculously durable in every aspect. The reliability is just there, you never have to worry about anything and they just go and go with a little bit of maintenance. I love the simplicity of the LC200, so much room in the hood for second batteries, so easy to work on, no need for premium fuel, no silly technology really, it's really a dinosaur though and not for everyone. I prefer some aspects of the LR4's fit and finish, but the seats and materials for the LC200 are extremely well done and durable. It has plenty of luxury features, but not really technologically advanced at all, which I actually LOVE. I know of 3 guys who went from the LR4 to the LC200 and they all tell me how both vehicles feel so special, like a tank on the road, and it's a very natural progression for LR4 owners if they wish to go that route - more than most other vehicles they would consider. Two of them made the decision after getting stranded a few times during off-road trips. They have had the LC200 since 2015 and put thousands of miles on it on really hard terrain and it just never flinches or breaks down or anything. Even if you hate Toyota, because I kind of did, you can't deny the LC200 (and Land Cruisers overall) hold their value like crazy and are probably one of the most iconic and reliable/durable vehicles ever made. The engineering on them is incredible and they are made to last -especially if you do NOT live in a climate where they use road salt - haha! Any vehicle these days will not deal with salt corrosion.

Well, I hope that helps. Like I said, I LOVED my LR4, it's amazing and I miss it often, but the LC200 was the right choice for me in all regards - I truly respect it as a vehicle. Yeah, it's quite a bit more BORING than the LR4, not as flashy and special, but that's what I needed. I can work on it myself with no problems, cheap parts, easy to fix, and drives like a dream. Both have pros and cons, but both are amazing. I also looked into a new G wagon (way too flashy for me), Jeep, some American trucks, new Defender, etc., but none come close to the LC200 for my "dinosaur" needs. :)

I know this was LONG winded and probably all over the place, but if you (or anyone) have specific questions, I am happy to help. The one thing I will say is, do NOT buy a new Discovery and expect to get any type of an LR4 feeling or anything. I bought a 2019 for my mom and it's nice to drive, but I hate it with a passion and it's been in the shop for almost 2 months in less than a year - it is riddled with so many issues!!!!!!! It's less than a year old and feels twenty years old because of the rattles. I hate superchargers anyway.

Take care!

Exactly what I was hoping to get as a reply. Thank you again!
 

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There have been quite a few posts on the Land Cruiser forum from former LR4 guys who made the switch, I can look them up and send them over to you via direct message. I'll also look for a few write ups that I did. I got a left over new 2018 for a great deal, but these vehicles hold their value like CRAZY!!! I'd say go with a 2018 or newer, as there were a few comfort features added in 2018...not a big deal, but nice to have. If you have specific questions, feel free to reach out. I've spent a lot of time in an LR4 and now about a year in for the LC200 on long, long road trips and some off-road. Good luck!

If you are talking about iH8Mud, looking over there now it looks like a lot of the "builds" have gotten more tasteful over the years. It used to be that building a 200 series out made them uglier, but I think the aftermarket has started to supply some stuff that looks better. That, and I think the 2016 refresh just looks better, period.

My account on that forum is still active. I first joined there in April 2003. Prior to that, it was some archaic 80 series list serve or something. Looks like my last posts there where in '16 when I was selling some parts, and before that it was '12 when I was selling an FJ40.

I've got to say, the idea of a 200 series is becoming more appealing to me. I prioritize mountain biking over 4-wheeling anymore, so being able to bomb 8-10 hours away on a moment's notice to hit Colorado or New Mexico without worrying about some mystery coolant leak would be nice. But still having a vehicle that would let me take a "shortcut" from two mountain towns--say, Pearl Pass from Crested Butte to Aspen--would be exactly what I'd want.
 
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The Discovery 5 acceleration lag has been fixed with a software update, according to the D5 forum members. Take it to the dealership.

Thank you! Yes, I have the TSB number and everything, but not all of the software updates have fixed the problem. They did the software upgrade right before the holidays in hoping it would fix it, but there are a bunch that did not work. Unfortunately. I do appreciate your advice.
 

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If you are talking about iH8Mud, looking over there now it looks like a lot of the "builds" have gotten more tasteful over the years. It used to be that building a 200 series out made them uglier, but I think the aftermarket has started to supply some stuff that looks better. That, and I think the 2016 refresh just looks better, period.

My account on that forum is still active. I first joined there in April 2003. Prior to that, it was some archaic 80 series list serve or something. Looks like my last posts there where in '16 when I was selling some parts, and before that it was '12 when I was selling an FJ40.

I've got to say, the idea of a 200 series is becoming more appealing to me. I prioritize mountain biking over 4-wheeling anymore, so being able to bomb 8-10 hours away on a moment's notice to hit Colorado or New Mexico without worrying about some mystery coolant leak would be nice. But still having a vehicle that would let me take a "shortcut" from two mountain towns--say, Pearl Pass from Crested Butte to Aspen--would be exactly what I'd want.

Yes sir, I am talking about iH8Mud. I agree with you about pre-2016, some of the builds were a bit weird to me. There are a lot more options now and the 2016+ builds are looking really nice and functional. That's exactly where I have migrated to as far as why I went with the LC200. I was going to be taking some long road trips, a few dirt roads and mild trails, and really needed something more comfortable, spacious, and reliable for the trips. I took a few trips where there were just too many issues and I always was leery in the back of my mind if something was going to happen. You never think twice with the LC200 in that regard, though it is hungry for gas!!! It has only a marginally better range than the LR4 (at least the 5.0 V8). I think my LR4 would have been more comfortable if it was not so bloated from all of the modifications. :-D I think I learned my lesson that sometimes over-modifying can not make the trip there very comfortable.

Let me know if you have any additional questions. Happy to help!
 

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