maintenance history since new 2013

[ktm525]

Like I said before, water pumps are not worth going cheap. My Beck Arnley failed in 3k miles. Redoing the job + coolant. Also agree withe LCAs. Cheap ones fail fast and there is alignment cost. What your time worth is always a consideration. In general I agree that the age of the V8s these are mostly 3&4 vehicles where downtime is not critical. The only way at this point is to turn wrenches on most jobs.

 

[ttforcefed]

entire history: $42k over 155K miles

Date	Miles	Work	Price
4/1/2014	6,000​	oil	200.00
9/30/2014	17,756	oil, annual	10.00
3/2/2015	23,345	oil, pads/rotors all 4	1,225.00
9/19/2015	30,928	oil	211.00
8/8/2016	46,425	oil	195.00
4/13/2017	58,270	radiator	1,263.00
5/22/2017	60,473	oil, 60k mile service, tranny, stf	1,905.00
2/22/2018	71,836	window switch	548.00
4/26/2018	75,008	oil, cig lighter fuse	258.00
7/24/2018	79,062	oil, 4 rotors/pads, differential, upper lower radiatior, water pipe etc	3,800.00
12/4/2018	85,534	right front heights sensor and strut	2,067.00
1/2/2019	86,684	oil, spark plugs, parking light	968.00
1/7/2019	87,432	control arm and shock	1,535.00
6/17/2019	94,080	Oil, EBC front and rear pads	500.00
9/14/2019	97,500	trunk actuator	300.00
10/2/2019	98,580	Running boards	1,200.00
12/12/2019	102,045	oil change	200.00
1/4/2020	102,650	right front sensor	180.00
7/8/2020	107,195	oil	150.00
11/16/2020	111,892	battery	333.00
12/15/2020	112,608	oil, cabin filter	737.00
6/15/2021	117,960	oil, front and rear pads, alignment	2,200.00
8/20/2021	121,000	front and rear bumpers painted	3,500.00
10/14/2021	123,387	oil, differential fluid, lower cntrl arm and joints, alignment	2,284.00
2/24/2022	126,035	oil, timing chain, water pump, coolant system, belts, plugs	7,593.00
6/12/2022	132,473	oil, AC service	569.00
10/31/2022	137,844	oil, coolant, alignment	800.00
11/29/2022	140,508	universal joint steering, tranny service	1,291.00
3/3/2023	145,008	oil	162.00
7/7/2023	151,662	oil	162.00
8/11/2023	152,000	y pipe, alternator, battery, new pad sensors, front and rear brakes	4,958.00
8/14/2023	153,138	fuel flange recall, fuel leak	460.00
9/27/2023	155,245	oil	162.00
			41,926.00

December 2023 - 159,600 $2,812
replace power steering pump, replace rear calipers/hoses, 4 wheel alignment, oil change

Feb 2024 - 161,706 $2,206
replace vacuum pump with seal, crankcase breather diaphragms, cleaned intake and throttle body, new plugs, cleaned all brake booster lines, fuel system cleaner

 

[itsaguything]

Out of interest, how often did you change the power steering fluid?
Also, new plugs at 160k…. is that the second time you’ve replaced them?
Lastly, how often do you change your brake fluid?

 

[ttforcefed]

everything is documented so whatever the log says. the plugs were done at 86k miles.
i have brake fluid done whenever they do brakes.
Not sure about the power steering fluid

 

[itsaguything]

Oh, is there a link to a log, or parse 93 messages?

 

[ttforcefed]

Oh, is there a link to a log, or parse 93 messages?

Just click expand on post 92

 

[ttforcefed]

service history posted for anyone who cares to look at the invoices

2012 Land Rover LR4 HSE

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[Al Pizzica]

Did you notice any big improvement with the plug change? I'm at 109k and I don't think they have been changed.

 

[ttforcefed]

Did you notice any big improvement with the plug change? I'm at 109k and I don't think they have been changed.

nope, nothing at all.

 

[MRLR4]

service history posted for anyone who cares to look at the invoices

2012 Land Rover LR4 HSE

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Out of morbid curiosity, I went through the invoices. In hindsight, it explains a LOT about Land Rover's generally poor maintenance expense reputation. Huge amounts were billed for fairly routine, minor services, some potentially unnecessary.

First, the dealer is charging $250 an hour for service. Secondly, they've figured out a way to basically make what amounts to Jiffylube oil change service cost $500 to $600 a pop by tacking on little "value adds" which add no value, and calling it a "15000 Mile Service" or "30000 Mile Service". Garbage like cleaning the battery and excessive cabin air filter changes on a car that has seen almost no miles since the last one. This all happens under warranty, and since JLR didn't cover oil changes or routine service, they got away with it. Presumably, this is why some luxury manufacturers now include these services--dealers were fleecing customers. Once, after warranty was up, they charged a few hundred dollars for "throttle body cleaning". Supposedly, this entailed $40 in parts and some labor. BS. This took 10 minutes to loosen and replace three screws, maybe two rags, and fifty cents of juice in a spray can.

In April of '22 there's a particularly offensive $5375 service. It includes one of MULTIPLE alignments (why no lifetime alignment.. this is like the tenth alignment this dealer has done? Is the car going out of alignment sitting in the driveway?). They charge $150 to rotate and balance tires the customer previously bought at the dealership (something any other tire shop does for free after you buy the tires from them). They charge $100 for (front?) wipers. Replacing two LCAs is about $1,800. Then they charge $1300 in labor alone for an "annual service" which is an overpriced oil change with bonuses. They clean the battery and brakes, top up the washer fluid, pour in some Techron (and charge $20 for the can of it), do something ("Energizer") to the battery for a few bucks, change oil (which is another $175 on top of the labor), change transmission fluid (which is $400 on top of the labor), replace the belts ($150 in parts), the cabin air filter, diff oil and transfer case oil, and swap yet another wiper blade for $50.

Now, let's get in more detail. The transfer case oil is an insane $154 for 2 liters, or $75/L. It's just full synthetic transfer case oil, which is $10 a liter from a bulk barrel, or $25 a liter for say, Triax DTF-1 or other equivalent. Same stuff. Land Rover just stiffed the customer for $100. Worse, the dealer stiffed the customer for changing transfer case oil on a 50,000 mile vehicle when that oil almost certainly did not need to be changed at all. Diff oil? GM will sell you the same $140 full synthethic diff oil (BOF720 spec) for $50 under PN 92184900. I can't even begin to understand $400 of tranny fluid. First, they probably lied about the amount. This was not a dry transmission. That does take 10 liters. But a change is 6-7 if you follow LR procedures, which they probably did. To go through 10 they would have needed to do a full flush, which they probably didn't, but maybe. At $40 a liter, that's $120 of product that likely never went into the car at all. That, and the fluid should cost only about $20 a liter for ZF. But, the ZF fluid is just rebadged m1375.4 spec fluid. Which you can buy for about $7 a quart from Ford/Castrol/Valvoline. JLR would like $35 or $40. So, Land Rover stiffs the customer to the tune of over $300 on 10 liters. Then there's doing this service at all at 50k before those fluids needed changing.... As for that ridiculous magic Castrol/JLR "co-engineered engine oil?" It's not special. It's regular old Eurospec oil rebottled with a particular JLR spec (STJLR.03.5004) that JLR wouldn't license for years except for ridiculous amounts of money so dealers could overcharge for "special" oil. Belts are actually about $40. The control arms? $450 from the OEM. And the idea that the SERVICE (not including control arms) took 8 hours is... ludicrous.

Moral: Almost no domestic manufacturer will ever have the audacity to screw you on parts like Land Rover. And then the dealers will screw you again. Even most other Euro brands aren't nearly as bad. JLR deserves every last inch of their poor repair cost reputation, and a lot of it is nothing more than simple graft. But the true costs aren't really more than a Jeep.